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    Re: Police: Off-duty St. Louis officer shoots, kills man who fired at him

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    In real life is it not true that if someone fires at you once your life is threatened and that your instinctual reaction would be to empty your magazine? I mean, do you take a timeout to check his pulse or what?
    You can argue with me all you want on here and try to justify whatever you'd like. But the law is the law. If someone shoots at you, you can shoot back. If you continue shooting them after they stop being a threat you will go to prison. Self defense is not a free pass to excessive force.
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    Re: Police: Off-duty St. Louis officer shoots, kills man who fired at him

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    How many real life shootings were you involved in?
    Ive been shot twice. never shot at anyone. Not sure how that is relevant.

    There is zero chance of charges, as long as there really was a shot from the other guy. It's how cops are trained.
    It is not. Cops are trained to stop the threat, not shoot until you are out of bullets. Where do you guys come up with this stuff?
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    Re: Police: Off-duty St. Louis officer shoots, kills man who fired at him

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    You can argue with me all you want on here and try to justify whatever you'd like. But the law is the law.
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    Re: Police: Off-duty St. Louis officer shoots, kills man who fired at him

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    Ive been shot twice. never shot at anyone. Not sure how that is relevant.
    It's relevant because having experience in a fire fight provides a state of mind as well as actions that may explain or not explain so many shots being fired. It's not difficult to understand that being in a shooting would cause a rush of adrenaline and as such, the cop may not have even realized he fired that many shots, is my point.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    It is not. Cops are trained to stop the threat, not shoot until you are out of bullets. Where do you guys come up with this stuff?
    They are trained but they are not used to it. For example, I was trained in basic training how to shoot targets, that does not mean that I was used to shooting live moving targets on a battle field. That is the difference between training and experience. Assuming once a person is trained that they will act the same in a real situation is a bad assumption.
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    Re: Police: Off-duty St. Louis officer shoots, kills man who fired at him

    In the first 28 seconds of this video you can see the protesters assaulting police, kicking their vehicles, and taunting them begging for confrontation...This is absurd. The man fired on the officer, and got what he was looking for...

    Many won't be happy until there are dead cops.

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    Re: Police: Off-duty St. Louis officer shoots, kills man who fired at him

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    It's relevant because having experience in a fire fight provides a state of mind as well as actions that may explain or not explain so many shots being fired. It's not difficult to understand that being in a shooting would cause a rush of adrenaline and as such, the cop may not have even realized he fired that many shots, is my point.
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    If you go back to my posts regarding this I said it should be questioned why 17 shots were returned for a one shot fired. But I clearly stated I don't know the details of this exact incident. Then all the internet rambos started in with the if someone shot at me i'd do this and that and what the **** ever.

    They are trained but they are not used to it. For example, I was trained in basic training how to shoot targets, that does not mean that I was used to shooting live moving targets on a battle field. That is the difference between training and experience. Assuming once a person is trained that they will act the same in a real situation is a bad assumption.
    It is not a bad assumption to expect cops to know how to react during a shooting and act according to the law. Every time a cop fires his weapon it needs to be investigated. If someone shoots at a cop, threatens a cop or whatever the case is the cop has a reasonable expectation to protect his life and the lives of those around him. It isn't about revenge, it isn't about being macho or anything of those things. It is simply a question of protecting innocent lives (cops included). I dont know the gun he had, how fast the shots were fired, or what the kid was doing when he was shot or a ton of other information that would be needed to know if 17 shots were justified or not. But this blanket argument that so many people seem to have that anything a cop does is justified is bull**** and flat out wrong. A kid is dead. A cop shot him. And discharged 17 bullets. That needs to be justified and explained.
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    Re: Police: Off-duty St. Louis officer shoots, kills man who fired at him

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    Are you a lawyer?
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    Re: Police: Off-duty St. Louis officer shoots, kills man who fired at him

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    In the first 28 seconds of this video you can see the protesters assaulting police, kicking their vehicles, and taunting them begging for confrontation...This is absurd. The man fired on the officer, and got what he was looking for...

    Many won't be happy until there are dead cops.

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    Re: Police: Off-duty St. Louis officer shoots, kills man who fired at him

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    You can argue with me all you want on here and try to justify whatever you'd like. But the law is the law. If someone shoots at you, you can shoot back. If you continue shooting them after they stop being a threat you will go to prison. Self defense is not a free pass to excessive force.
    That's why a first, or second shot kill is best.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Police: Off-duty St. Louis officer shoots, kills man who fired at him

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    If you go back to my posts regarding this I said it should be questioned why 17 shots were returned for a one shot fired. But I clearly stated I don't know the details of this exact incident. Then all the internet rambos started in with the if someone shot at me i'd do this and that and what the **** ever.
    And if you go back and read my posts my point is this may not be "internet rambo's" it may just be how one reacts given adrenaline and the fight/flight response.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    It is not a bad assumption to expect cops to know how to react during a shooting and act according to the law. Every time a cop fires his weapon it needs to be investigated. If someone shoots at a cop, threatens a cop or whatever the case is the cop has a reasonable expectation to protect his life and the lives of those around him. It isn't about revenge, it isn't about being macho or anything of those things. It is simply a question of protecting innocent lives (cops included). I dont know the gun he had, how fast the shots were fired, or what the kid was doing when he was shot or a ton of other information that would be needed to know if 17 shots were justified or not. But this blanket argument that so many people seem to have that anything a cop does is justified is bull**** and flat out wrong. A kid is dead. A cop shot him. And discharged 17 bullets. That needs to be justified and explained.
    He may or may not be justified and I can agree with most of what you stated. I think it's just as much bull**** to criticize the 17 shot as it is to justify the shots. My view is it may be justified given the circumstances and it may not. He may not have even known he fired 17 shots. And yes it's still a bad assumption.
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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