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    Re: Police: Off-duty St. Louis officer shoots, kills man who fired at him

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    What my point is, is that boars don't climb. You could take your time and shoot the boar as long as it's still within range of your pistol. A cedar provides no protection for someone else shooting at you. I have never been in a gun fight - nor tangled with a live boar - however that doesn't mean I cannot understand the adrenalin boost that occurs. He may have fired 17 shots without even knowing it. I'm not going to say 17 shots is ridiculous because I have no first hand knowledge of what happens in this situation.
    Eastern cedars, you may not be familiar with, they are branchy, often from the ground level, both easy and hard to climb, easy because branches are plentiful and extend near to the ground, difficult because your pack, rifle and clothing hang up, I wasn't far enough off the ground for safety in that example I gave you. And I qualified my statement about seventeen rounds being ridiculous. If for example this officer neutralized the aggressor on the second round fired, and by that I mean, he was on the ground now and immobile, then IMO, pumping fifteen more rounds into him is ridiculous. But I suggest we're wasting time with too many ifs right now, I'm sure you agree.
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    Re: Police: Off-duty St. Louis officer shoots, kills man who fired at him

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Well here we go. Looks like the cops were flat out lying and covering their asses.

    Mom of man killed by St. Louis cop: He was unarmed

    Turns out that a more thorough investigation by reliable sources prove that the kid had a sandwich, not a gun.
    Oh. My. God. She knows this how exactly?

    What's comical is how I also saw that on the MSNBC home page. They are actually reporting on his dear mama's assertion that he was holding a sandwich, not a gun. Amazing.
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    Re: Police: Off-duty St. Louis officer shoots, kills man who fired at him

    After a chase on foot, one of the teens approached the officer "in an aggressive manner," Dotson said, and refused to stop or surrender.

    The two got into a "physical alteration" that pulled off the suspect's gray-hooded sweater. As the teenager ran away, grabbing at his waist, Dotson said, the officer felt that the teenager was carry a firearm.

    Dotson said, however, that the unidentified officer, a six-year veteran of the St. Louis police force, did not open fire because "he wanted to be certain it was a gun."

    At one point, he said, the suspect turned and "pointed the gun at the officer and fired at least three rounds at the officer." He said the suspect tried to continue firing, but his gun jammed.

    The officer responded by firing at least 17 rounds at the suspect, killing him. The officer was not injured.

    Dotson said a 9mm Ruger handgun, allegedly belonging to the suspect, was recovered at the scene and a forensics search located three projectiles that had been fired at the officer.

    "An investigation will decide if the officer's behavior was appropriate," the police chief told reporters.

    Dotson did not identify the victim but said he "was no stranger to law enforcement."

    Protests erupt in St. Louis after cop kills black teen
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    Re: Police: Off-duty St. Louis officer shoots, kills man who fired at him

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Well here we go. Looks like the cops were flat out lying and covering their asses.

    Mom of man killed by St. Louis cop: He was unarmed

    Turns out that a more thorough investigation by reliable sources prove that the kid had a sandwich, not a gun.
    So he shot at the cop with a Ruger sandwich?
    Last edited by humbolt; 10-09-14 at 01:24 PM. Reason: sandwich type was identified.

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    Re: Police: Off-duty St. Louis officer shoots, kills man who fired at him

    According to the reports I've read, the assailant got off 3 rounds before his gun jammed. This underscores the importance of using quality ammo, tested by you personally under controlled conditions at a range to get an idea of its reliability in your particular firearm, and keeping the weapon clean via regular disassembly, swabbing, and using good quality cleaner such as Hoppes or Frog Lube according to the manufacturer's directions. It also shows the utility of practicing clearing jams, and to carry a rod of sufficient length and strength for clearing the occasional hot round. A six inch wood dowel in a diameter small enough to fit down the barrel works well, but a screwdriver of the proper dimensions for the gun would work as well.

    Of course, it really shows that one shouldn't randomly fire at police officers. The officer needing seventeen rounds in a dynamic situation at night while under fire isn't surprising at all. People have an absurd Hollywood driven notion of the accuracy and stopping power of handguns. Sure, you can put 9/10 inside the nines at 15 yards in a well lit firing range after assuming the optimal shooting stance. It's a bit different under low-light, or worse yet variable light, conditions against a moving target shooting back.

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    Re: Police: Off-duty St. Louis officer shoots, kills man who fired at him

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Oh. My. God. She knows this how exactly?

    What's comical is how I also saw that on the MSNBC home page. They are actually reporting on his dear mama's assertion that he was holding a sandwich, not a gun. Amazing.
    It's quite simple, Tres. The kid is black and he was shot by a cop. This day in age there need be no other evidence presented to determine that the cop is guilty of racially motivated assault.

    If I were charge in that part of the country I'd simply instruct the cops to totally avoid engagement with any black person. Don't look their way, don't say hello, don't do anything at all. If a black kid is raping his grandmother in the middle of the street you just ignore it because he's black and ANYTHING that the cops do is going to cause a problem.

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    Re: Police: Off-duty St. Louis officer shoots, kills man who fired at him

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    So he shot at the cop with a Ruger sandwich?
    I am guessing the sound the cop thought was gunfire, was only the slapping of the bologna
    on the cheese.
    Seriously it should be easy for them to verify if the suspect had fired the gun.

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    Re: Police: Off-duty St. Louis officer shoots, kills man who fired at him

    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen.Seven View Post
    According to the reports I've read, the assailant got off 3 rounds before his gun jammed. This underscores the importance of using quality ammo, tested by you personally under controlled conditions at a range to get an idea of its reliability in your particular firearm, and keeping the weapon clean via regular disassembly, swabbing, and using good quality cleaner such as Hoppes or Frog Lube according to the manufacturer's directions. It also shows the utility of practicing clearing jams, and to carry a rod of sufficient length and strength for clearing the occasional hot round. A six inch wood dowel in a diameter small enough to fit down the barrel works well, but a screwdriver of the proper dimensions for the gun would work as well.

    Of course, it really shows that one shouldn't randomly fire at police officers. The officer needing seventeen rounds in a dynamic situation at night while under fire isn't surprising at all. People have an absurd Hollywood driven notion of the accuracy and stopping power of handguns. Sure, you can put 9/10 inside the nines at 15 yards in a well lit firing range after assuming the optimal shooting stance. It's a bit different under low-light, or worse yet variable light, conditions against a moving target shooting back.
    especially when they are running, using cover, and trying NOT to get shot

    tv makes it all look so damn easy

    and remember...this guy was fired upon first.....probably scared ****less

    missing a few shots doesnt surprise me at all
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    Re: Police: Off-duty St. Louis officer shoots, kills man who fired at him

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    I am guessing the sound the cop thought was gunfire, was only the slapping of the bologna
    on the cheese.
    Seriously it should be easy for them to verify if the suspect had fired the gun.
    Damn mustard stove piped, I guess. The gun has been identified, so I'm certain they checked it and tested the man's hands for residue. It's a simple matter quickly done.

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    Re: Police: Off-duty St. Louis officer shoots, kills man who fired at him

    I have to wonder how long before people start claiming it was inappropriate to keep firing while the assailant was trying to clear the jam. I bet he kept racking the slide and pulling the trigger to see if it cleared which, for a hot round, will only move ammo from the magazine to the ground one at time under the best circumstances. More likely, it will keep the slide from closing all the way. I would bet there were at least two live rounds on the ground around the assailant, and I would even hazard that they are steel casing.

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