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    Re: Police: Off-duty St. Louis officer shoots, kills man who fired at him

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    (W)hy did CNN & AP decide that this time an 18 year old was a "man"?
    When we decided to let children vote and join the Army?
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    Re: Police: Off-duty St. Louis officer shoots, kills man who fired at him

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    Yea I know. Every one online does. But reality is different. And again I don't know the circumstances regarding this case as they haven't been released yet. But if someone shoots at you, it does not give a free pass to do anything you'd like. There are laws to follow. Self defense only works while your life is threatened.
    In real life is it not true that if someone fires at you once your life is threatened and that your instinctual reaction would be to empty your magazine? I mean, do you take a timeout to check his pulse or what?
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    Re: Police: Off-duty St. Louis officer shoots, kills man who fired at him

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    More details should come out shortly. Getting shot because you fired at a cop is not something that upsets me. The 17 shots fired back is somewhat concerning but we don't know what happened yet.
    I think in many shootings, and likely this one, they fire until the magazine is empty.
    This can happen VERY quickly.

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    Re: Police: Off-duty St. Louis officer shoots, kills man who fired at him

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Interesting and yes, you're right. Michael Brown was a teen. Trayvon Martin was a teen. This teen was a man. I'm glad they at least caught up with that.

    "Loud protests in the area"? What are they protesting here? The teen/man opened fire. What exactly were they supposed to do?
    They are opposed to cops indiscriminately killing young black men. It's been all over the news. The only justifiable shooting of a young black man is when he is shot by another young black man. All other shootings of black youth are due to race and out of control police.

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    Re: Police: Off-duty St. Louis officer shoots, kills man who fired at him

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    How many real life shootings were you involved in?

    Regarding the OP: If the investigation shows this was legit - I have no problem with the cop emptying his clip into this 18 year old "man". Will we get the claims that this 18 year old "man" was also a gentle soul, who aspired to go to college and become a lawyer or doctor?
    I could probably agree with you, predicated on that bolded. I was treed by a wild hog deer hunting once, I had a pistol and a deer riffle, the tree I scrambled was a very branchy cedar, and the rifle wasn't useful. After the second shot the hog was still advancing, but the third shot dropped it. I still had seven shots left, and suppose that I could have fired all of them into the hog as well, just for good measure. Btw, I have zero problem with an on duty, or off duty cop, or anybody else for that matter, killing someone that was first trying to kill them.
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    Re: Police: Off-duty St. Louis officer shoots, kills man who fired at him

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I could probably agree with you, predicated on that bolded. I was treed by a wild hog deer hunting once, I had a pistol and a deer riffle, the tree I scrambled was a very branchy cedar, and the rifle wasn't useful. After the second shot the hog was still advancing, but the third shot dropped it. I still had seven shots left, and suppose that I could have fired all of them into the hog as well, just for good measure. Btw, I have zero problem with an on duty, or off duty cop, or anybody else for that matter, killing someone that was first trying to kill them.
    I agree with your view of the wild boar. Now let's change your scenario where the wild boar was armed and fired a shot at you while your up the cedar.... ludicrous in reality yes but to me, that would change the situation a bit.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Police: Off-duty St. Louis officer shoots, kills man who fired at him

    Well here we go. Looks like the cops were flat out lying and covering their asses.

    Mom of man killed by St. Louis cop: He was unarmed

    Turns out that a more thorough investigation by reliable sources prove that the kid had a sandwich, not a gun.

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    Re: Police: Off-duty St. Louis officer shoots, kills man who fired at him

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Well here we go. Looks like the cops were flat out lying and covering their asses.

    Mom of man killed by St. Louis cop: He was unarmed

    Turns out that a more thorough investigation by reliable sources prove that the kid had a sandwich, not a gun.
    It was a sandwich bitten in the shape of a gun which shot a slice of jalapeno pepper at the cop, which could take an eye out.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Police: Off-duty St. Louis officer shoots, kills man who fired at him

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I agree with your view of the wild boar. Now let's change your scenario where the wild boar was armed and fired a shot at you while your up the cedar.... ludicrous in reality yes but to me, that would change the situation a bit.
    Ok, we could pretend the hog had a gun and fired a shot at me too. Have you ever encountered a wild hog, have you seen their tusks? Have you ever seen a hunting dogs stomach laid wide open by one? A three hundred and fifty pound wild hog is lethal, I suppose if he had a gun too, and I still dropped him on the third round that I could go ahead and pump the other seven rounds into him for good measure, sure. I told you Ockham that I have zero problem with self defense, and of course lethal self defense if someone fires upon you. Seventeen rounds is ridiculous, unless, that's what it took. Perhaps this cop missed a dozen times! Perhaps he needs more time on the firing range, lol.
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    Re: Police: Off-duty St. Louis officer shoots, kills man who fired at him

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Ok, we could pretend the hog had a gun and fired a shot at me too. Have you ever encountered a wild hog, have you seen their tusks? Have you ever seen a hunting dogs stomach layer wide open by one? A three hundred and fifty pound wild hog is lethal, I suppose if he had a gun too, and I still dropped him on the third round that I could go ahead and pump the other seven rounds into him for good measure, sure. I told you Ockham that I have zero problem with self defense, and of course lethal self defense if someone fires upon you. Seventeen rounds is ridiculous, unless, that's what it took. Perhaps this cop missed a dozen times! Perhaps he needs more time on the firing range, lol.
    What my point is, is that boars don't climb. You could take your time and shoot the boar as long as it's still within range of your pistol. A cedar provides no protection for someone else shooting at you. I have never been in a gun fight - nor tangled with a live boar - however that doesn't mean I cannot understand the adrenalin boost that occurs. He may have fired 17 shots without even knowing it. I'm not going to say 17 shots is ridiculous because I have no first hand knowledge of what happens in this situation.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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