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    Re: Do chimps deserve the same basic rights as people?

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Imagine the same lineage of chimps being taught sign language for a few hundred years. Im pretty sure almost each new birth would produce a chimp that is more capable of hand signs. Would be interesting to see if a chimps last born is more savy than a chimps first born because perhaps some genetic info from the parents had more time to trickle down as the parent learned and taught. aka how programmable is "passed down" dna for 1 life cycle and does chimp pass more different genetic info at 20% lifecycle compared to and old 80%+ chimp.
    That would work only if

    a) through natural selection, the apes themselves selected for superior communication skills, or
    b) through artificial selection, we selected for them for superior communication skills.

    But through either of those, it would stand to reason that after a few thousand years of this their brains would undergo a dramatic evolution.

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    Re: Do chimps deserve the same basic rights as people?

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    If we start bestowing human rights on chimps we are headed for disaster. We all know how this will end....


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    Re: Do chimps deserve the same basic rights as people?

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    Female Chimps Practice Heavily Infanticide and Cannibalism - Softpedia



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    Re: Do chimps deserve the same basic rights as people?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    That would work only if

    a) through natural selection, the apes themselves selected for superior communication skills, or
    b) through artificial selection, we selected for them for superior communication skills.

    But through either of those, it would stand to reason that after a few thousand years of this their brains would undergo a dramatic evolution.
    And neither of those scenarios is in place or likely to occur in the foreseeable future. If Chimps were prone to pass on signing skills, they'd have already been doing it. They communicate through a wide array of body language already and we haven't seen any discernible refinement of that among chimp populations.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: Do chimps deserve the same basic rights as people?

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    And neither of those scenarios is in place or likely to occur in the foreseeable future. If Chimps were prone to pass on signing skills, they'd have already been doing it. They communicate through a wide array of body language already and we haven't seen any discernible refinement of that among chimp populations.
    Sign language demands a greater vocabulary and, this is the relevant part, a larger and more developed brain to handle. The increased mental capacity is what would be selected for, the language just being a by-product of that intelligence.

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    Re: Do chimps deserve the same basic rights as people?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    To be fair, it was you who blew it all up, you...you sons of bitches.

    By the way, did anyone else have a problem that the final twist of the movie is on the front cover? It would be like showing Bruce Willis as a ghost on the poster for The Sixth Sense.
    It is weird that they showed the Statue and him on his knees on the cover. That was the best part of that movie, watching him on the horse with the woman and seeing the Statue's shadow, and then him screaming "You maniacs! You blew it up!" and then seeing....it.
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    Re: Do chimps deserve the same basic rights as people?

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    As a matter of fact we're ALL animals...
    I tend to agree. Sort of. It's a matter of semantics. In the sense that we are biological organisms like all the other biological organisms we call "animals", I completely agree. In the sense that humans are a distinct species in our eyes; one that has risen above and managed to override our basest instincts and have distinguished ourselves from other animals through superior impulse control.... we are not animals. At least not all of us. In my opinion, the defining difference between man and animal is impulse control and those "humans" who don't or won't exercise impulse control are on the wrong side of that line.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: Do chimps deserve the same basic rights as people?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Sign language demands a greater vocabulary and, this is the relevant part, a larger and more developed brain to handle. The increased mental capacity is what would be selected for, the language just being a by-product of that intelligence.
    I agree. I think the development of language follows development of the brain rather than causing development of the brain in a species.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: Do chimps deserve the same basic rights as people?

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    I agree. I think the development of language follows development of the brain rather than causing development of the brain in a species.
    It's both, actually. So long as a trait results in a greater ability to survive and pass on one's genes, it will be selected for. So the greater brain will result in greater language abilities, and the greater language abilities will result in the circumstances needed to go on to create a greater brain.

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    Re: Do chimps deserve the same basic rights as people?

    I think a relevant question would be: is it particularly smart to enact that kind of evolution onto chimpanzees? Another way to put it is, if they had a higher intelligence would we even want what they'd have to offer?

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