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    Re: Do chimps deserve the same basic rights as people?

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    Serious question: at what age are humans capable of grasping the concept of rights?
    At what age are humans held accountable for societal laws?
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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Do chimps deserve the same basic rights as people?

    Chimps eat each other, and throw their own poop at each other.



    If they get rights, then so to do they become held accountable for their actions.


    I, for one, don't want to pay state funded zoos....er, JAILS, to keep them locked up.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Do chimps deserve the same basic rights as people?

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    At what age are humans held accountable for societal laws?
    Depends...

    Age of criminal responsibility

    There is no uniform national age from which a child is accountable in the juvenile court system; this varies between states, with many setting 10 as the minimum.[6] Not all minors who commit a crime are committed to juvenile (or adult) court.
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    Re: Do chimps deserve the same basic rights as people?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    So you think it necessary for a chimp to have freedom of speech? Perhaps the religious exercise of chimps needs to be protected in some way? Is the Chimp Free Press in danger of being shut down? Maybe the right to bear arms?
    With certain limitations, children have freedom of speech. I don't know of any chimp religion, though I don't see how that or the absence of it changes anything. It's not certain what chimps would want to report in a newspaper. Children aren't allowed to do lots of things until they're adults.

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    I am a little confused as to which rights you think might be necessary for a chimp to survive as a chimp.
    Me too. There isn't exactly a precedent for this in Western culture (though plenty of it in Hindu culture. For a real head trip, watch the documentaries on India on Netflix). All I can say is their level of abstract thinking, acknowledgment of the self and communication puts them on a different tier than other animals.

    Edit: the documentaries are called Wildest India. They're a real kick, so if you can stand documentaries I would definitely give them a chance.
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    Re: Do chimps deserve the same basic rights as people?

    Quote Originally Posted by recalcitrant View Post
    Chimpanzees' rights case argued at New York appeals court hearing - CBS News

    Every chimp should go to school and vote in elections and get food stamps and own a gun and be read their miranda rights when being put under arrest



    Yeah well I AM! Steven Wise isn't going far enough!

    Knowing the republicans though they'll make polling times difficult to dolphins and make dolphins wait in line for like 12 hours and suggest dolphins to get voter ID that they just can't get for some reason.

    Are we ready though for all the illegal alien dolphins from mexico swimming up to our coasts?
    I suppose you just can't make things like this up. This has to be a joke with a laugh line in there someplace.
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    Re: Do chimps deserve the same basic rights as people?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    I'm not sure. But it is not the age of a human that determines rights but that they are human. Human nature require rights. Rational animals live by rational thought. Rights are those things that separate the rational from the irrational; that allow man to live by reason and not be ruled by brut force.
    Are you saying that it is human nature or our DNA that makes us human?

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    Re: Do chimps deserve the same basic rights as people?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    At the same time, when you teach them sign language they can communicate with us. They also have an ego and can think of the self in abstract terms. I don't know enough to say that they should have human rights, but they're eerily enough like us that I don't think the question is absurd.
    The exact degree to which they possess any of those things is ultimately debatable.

    However, in any case, I would agree that they have the "right" not to be treated with wanton cruelty, as with any other living creature. I simply wouldn't say that they are deserving of "human rights," per se.

    I mean... Let's face it, if you found yourself on a lifeboat with five people, a chimpanzee, and no food to eat, it certainly wouldn't be a human being who "took one for the team" first.
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    Re: Do chimps deserve the same basic rights as people?

    It's a ridiculous concept, but it's not granting legal rights, so much as just enabling representation. It'll prevent animal cruelty, so I'm not actually against it.
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    Re: Do chimps deserve the same basic rights as people?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Are you saying that it is human nature or our DNA that makes us human?
    Our DNA makes us human, and as humans we have a particular nature. Humans are rational, moral beings that require a rational, moral code of survival. Chimps can survive as chimps without either. We cant.

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    Re: Do chimps deserve the same basic rights as people?

    Quote Originally Posted by recalcitrant View Post
    Chimpanzees' rights case argued at New York appeals court hearing - CBS News

    Every chimp should go to school and vote in elections and get food stamps and own a gun and be read their miranda rights when being put under arrest



    Yeah well I AM! Steven Wise isn't going far enough!

    Knowing the republicans though they'll make polling times difficult to dolphins and make dolphins wait in line for like 12 hours and suggest dolphins to get voter ID that they just can't get for some reason.

    Are we ready though for all the illegal alien dolphins from mexico swimming up to our coasts?
    Well, do u want a bunch of chimps running around like monkeys run around India?..

    Also, you do realize that all primates can be quite vicious? who are you going to sue when some ape bites your nose off - the government?

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