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1st Ebola patient diagnosed in the US has died[W:33]

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Can't help but wonder if he was just honest the first time he came in, (sent home with antibiotics for 2 days)if that would have given him a better fighting chance.
 
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If I read correctly, a single large outbreak of Ebola some years ago was in Uganda was caused after the Funeral of two tribal chiefs because of the way they all touch the bodies.

Well, so much for backwards cultures. You suppose that this'll reduce the amount of tribal based conflicts in the area? I mean, the natural resources are at the same level, but fewer people / tribes competing for them.
 
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Watch out.

There are already cries of " racism " being bandied around by the usual suspects saying this guy wasn't treated immediately because of the color if his skin.

I didn't think he had much of a chance. For one they ran out of the experimental anti-viral medication that was used on the Dr and the Aid worker that were brought back from Africa.

He was given an alternative experimental medication.

But of course. What else would you expect from the race hustlers? Perfectly in character, this.
 
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This isn't the flu; it doesn't transmit through droplets in the air.

saliva droplets in the air can carry the disease. Such droplets are heavy, and don't travel far, but your statement is still rendered innacurate
 
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The thing with Ebola is that, it's not contagious when you don't have symptoms. So you can fly, kiss, have sex with a person who has it, and as long as their not symptomatic, you're fine. Best thing about Ebola is that when you are sick, you are VERY SICK. That means, you aren't leaving your house to get on an airplane and fly across the globe.

Also, you could kiss someone with Ebola and still not catch it. Remember, it's bodily secretions... not merely bodily fluids.

According to what I've read, saliva is included.
 
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See the number of deaths from flu per year, which is far worse than ebola due to actually being airborne. 53,826 people died from influenza and pneumonia in 2010. (cdc)

Hence the great concern that Ebola mutate and become airborne contagious without reducing it's lethality.

Since Ebola viral RNA is now mixing with far more human DNA / RNA than ever before, so the potential for Ebola mutation is greater than ever before. of course, the same mutation that enables Ebola to become an airborne pathogen could also reduce or eliminate it's lethality. You never know.

The million dollar question becomes, 'Are you willing to risk it, knowing the costs that such a mutated airborne pathogenic Ebola virus could cause?'

Seems that the administration's answer is 'Yes', to the risk to the electorate.

Given Obama's track record of extremely poor results of other decisions that he's made, this gives me very little comfort.
 
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Article said:
They also are trying to tamp down anxiety among residents frightened of contracting Ebola...

Lol... gotta keep the fear stoked.

People should be researching why this ebola epidemic started in Africa... specifically, government corruption and the lack of infrastructure that have lead to inadequate resources to handle such an outbreak, despite years of financial aid from the UN. It's the whole reason why the WHO is there now, because the countries themselves have not been spending their money on prevention programs like they said they would.

Ebola is not going to be become an epidemic in the United States, unless it has become weaponized, which I guess is not out of the realm of possibility in these crazy times.
 
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Hence the great concern that Ebola mutate and become airborne contagious without reducing it's lethality.

This idea that it's going to magically mutate into an airborne contagion makes for a good Sci-Fi movie, but the chances of it are slim to zero.
 
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The thing with Ebola is that, it's not contagious when you don't have symptoms. So you can fly, kiss, have sex with a person who has it, and as long as their not symptomatic, you're fine. Best thing about Ebola is that when you are sick, you are VERY SICK. That means, you aren't leaving your house to get on an airplane and fly across the globe.

Also, you could kiss someone with Ebola and still not catch it. Remember, it's bodily secretions... not merely bodily fluids.

The CDC lists sweat and saliva as transmissible fluids.
 
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This idea that it's going to magically mutate into an airborne contagion makes for a good Sci-Fi movie, but the chances of it are slim to zero.

I never said that the chances were high.

What I said that with the greater exposure of the virus to human hosts who become infected, the chances for mutation are higher than without this greater exposure, and they are.

By calling the increased risk, 'Sci-Fi', you are ignoring that it is an increased risk, and one that grows with each newly infected human host. Guess there are some advantages in humans being a genetic monoculture, as in lowering the possible mutation combinations. Usually being a monoculture is a draw back, but should that mutation come to pass, Ebola become an airborne pathogen, it would be a disadvantage once again.
 
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This idea that it's going to magically mutate into an airborne contagion makes for a good Sci-Fi movie, but the chances of it are slim to zero.



There's nothing magic abou it.

Even the CDC acknowledged that Ebola could go airborne.
 
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This idea that it's going to magically mutate into an airborne contagion makes for a good Sci-Fi movie, but the chances of it are slim to zero.

Just like with all viruses, the longer the current strain continues to transmit, the higher the likelihood of mutations. Since Ebola kills humans too fast, and outbreaks don't last very long, it hasn't had a chance to mutate. Change either of those parameters, and mutations happen.
 
There's nothing magic abou it.

Even the CDC acknowledged that Ebola could go airborne.

The big thing is not that the virus can't mutate, nor that it can become more potent, deadlier or resistant to certain treatments, but it has not been observed in the 100 years virus have been studied, for a massive shift in the way a virus is transmitted.

And that's the key thing, it's not impossible, but it has virtually never been observed.
 
The big thing is not that the virus can't mutate, nor that it can become more potent, deadlier or resistant to certain treatments, but it has not been observed in the 100 years virus have been studied, for a massive shift in the way a virus is transmitted.

And that's the key thing, it's not impossible, but it has virtually never been observed.

Ebola was discovered in 1976. It never has had the chance to mutate due to its normal short lifespan, while this outbreak has been going on for 10 months.
 
It could go airborne. It could get into water. It could sprout wings or do the cha-cha.

What if's make for great drama but we have to look at what is. One person in the U.S. is infected. Even if there are a few more cases, it's not going to spread like wildfire. The flu is far more deadly.

I wish all the chicken littles out there would get a grip and tend to their own lives instead of running around hysterically waiting for doomsday to come, just so that they have something to gossip about.
 
The big thing is not that the virus can't mutate, nor that it can become more potent, deadlier or resistant to certain treatments, but it has not been observed in the 100 years virus have been studied, for a massive shift in the way a virus is transmitted.

And that's the key thing, it's not impossible, but it has virtually never been observed.
Oh, so it never will? That is just the type of thinking that I hope doesn't take root in our infectious disease community. That thinking would result in death.
 
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The News just said another Dallas victim/contact has come down with Ebola symptoms.

This thing is spreading a little easier than they're letting onto. Mark my words that if it starts to get out of control, they'll admit they knew more but didn't want to panic people. The current belief is that an airborne virus is spread primarily by large particles traveling up to a maximum of 3 feet to 6 feet from an infected person.
 
Ebola was discovered in 1976. It never has had the chance to mutate due to its normal short lifespan, while this outbreak has been going on for 10 months.

I'm talking about Virus' in general and timeframe wasn't your original concern.

The concern is how many people it infects and how much it could mutate to become airborne.

AIDS and Hepatitis C have infected millions and has never mutated to become airborne...
 
There's nothing magic abou it.

Even the CDC acknowledged that Ebola could go airborne.

Greetings, Fenton. :2wave:

:agree: They said at that time it was within two mutations of becoming airborne. Is there a change in human Ebola symptons, or how do they track how quickly it might be mutating in order to become airborne?
 
I'm talking about Virus' in general and timeframe wasn't your original concern.

The concern is how many people it infects and how much it could mutate to become airborne.

AIDS and Hepatitis C have infected millions and has never mutated to become airborne...


There have been airborne variants of Ebola before...read below carefully.


The World Health Organization says its scientists are unaware of any virus that has dramatically changed its mode of transmission.

"For example, the H5N1 avian influenza virus... has probably circulated through many billions of birds for at least two decades. Its mode of transmission remains basically unchanged. Speculation that Ebola virus disease might mutate into a form that could easily spread among humans through the air is just that: speculation, unsubstantiated by any evidence."

Osterholm and other experts couldn't think of another virus that has made the transition from non-airborne to airborne in humans. They say the chances are relatively small that Ebola will make that jump. But as the virus spreads, they warned, the likelihood increases.

Every time a new person gets Ebola, the virus gets another chance to mutate and develop new capabilities. Osterholm calls it "genetic roulette."

"The roots of our Ebola fears", that book chronicles the 1989 outbreak of Ebola Reston, which was transmitted among monkeys by breathing. In 2012, Canadian researchers found that Ebola Zaire, which is involved in the current outbreak, was passed from pigs to monkeys in the air.

Dr. James Le Duc, the director of the Galveston National Laboratory at the University of Texas, said the problem is that no one is keeping track of the mutations happening across West Africa, so no one really knows what the virus has become.

One group of researchers looked at how Ebola changed over a short period of time in just one area in Sierra Leone early on in the outbreak, before it was spreading as fast as it is now. They found more than 300 genetic changes in the virus.

"It's frightening to look at how much this virus mutated within just three weeks," said Dr. Pardis Sabeti, an associate professor at Harvard and senior associate member of the Broad Institute, where the research was done.

Even without becoming airborne, the virus has overwhelmed efforts to stop it.

Ebola airborne: A nightmare that could happen - CNN.com
 
News from The Associated Press



Not a good sign. So far though at least no others are showing signs of sickness.

Now reporting a possible.

Frisco Investigating Possible Ebola Case

A person in Frisco who may be showing Ebola symptoms and claims to have had contact with Thomas Eric Duncan, the man who died of the virus Wednesday in Dallas, is being investigated, the city says.

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Frisco Investigating Possible Ebola Case | NBC 5 Dallas-Fort Worth


News conference at 3:30pm local time.
 
Now reporting a possible.
Frisco Investigating Possible Ebola Case
A person in Frisco who may be showing Ebola symptoms and claims to have had contact with Thomas Eric Duncan, the man who died of the virus Wednesday in Dallas, is being investigated, the city says.

[...]

Frisco Investigating Possible Ebola Case | NBC 5 Dallas-Fort Worth


News conference at 3:30pm local time.

from your link ~ Apparently, it is an employee with the Dallas County Sheriff's Office who was in Duncan's apartment, NBC 5 has confirmed.
 
I predict if one more West African enters into this Country and winds up in one of our Hospitals with Ebola, there will be a travel ban.

England and France have already instituted a ban.
 
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