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    Re: 1st Ebola patient diagnosed in the US has died

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    No, being aware of information is never a bad thing. But prioritizing that information even though it is statistically irrelevant compared to much larger ongoing issues is silly and just feeds into the news frenzy du jour.
    Not really. Altho I do see the media helping to promote some misinformation and hype, there is a real danger...in lives but even more in the economy. If panic and poor quarantine management get out of hand....the economy will take a huge dive.
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    Re: 1st Ebola patient diagnosed in the US has died

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    I think the fact that we here in the US could not help just one person with ebola is a big issue.
    We helped 2 already.

    And apparently they ran out of what they used to cure them for this guy.

    It is concerning overall tho, yes.
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    Re: 1st Ebola patient diagnosed in the US has died

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    Well, so much for backwards cultures. You suppose that this'll reduce the amount of tribal based conflicts in the area? I mean, the natural resources are at the same level, but fewer people / tribes competing for them.
    Up until about the 1950s here, many people still brought their dead home and prepared their bodies for burial. Usually on the kitchen table.

    It wasnt about being 'backwards,' it was about caring for family and fewer 'businesses' profiting from death. Not sure how that would be considered 'backwards.'
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    Re: 1st Ebola patient diagnosed in the US has died

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Up until about the 1950s here, many people still brought their dead home and prepared their bodies for burial. Usually on the kitchen table.

    It wasnt about being 'backwards,' it was about caring for family and fewer 'businesses' profiting from death. Not sure how that would be considered 'backwards.'
    I understand about wanting to care for deceased family members, but the cultural aspect of touching the dead is probably one of the worst things to do with an Ebola deceased. Not to mention that the vast majority are believing that Ebola is a government hoax, developed by the white man to kill the black man, etc. etc. All of which only serve to make the outbreak even more costly in lives. Yeah, I'd call it a backwards culture, and if not that, at the very least a very ill-informed culture.
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    Re: 1st Ebola patient diagnosed in the US has died

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    I understand about wanting to care for deceased family members, but the cultural aspect of touching the dead is probably one of the worst things to do with an Ebola deceased. Not to mention that the vast majority are believing that Ebola is a government hoax, developed by the white man to kill the black man, etc. etc. All of which only serve to make the outbreak even more costly in lives. Yeah, I'd call it a backwards culture, and if not that, at the very least a very ill-informed culture.
    I was not aware that the populations in those countries held a widespread belief that whites invented Ebola to kill them.

    Do you have any sources for that?

    And if you are living in America, you are living in a very ill-informed country. *Lots* of information does not equal 'well-informed.'

    Millions of Americans still believe the president was born in Kenya.
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    Re: 1st Ebola patient diagnosed in the US has died

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I was not aware that the populations in those countries held a widespread belief that whites invented Ebola to kill them.

    Do you have any sources for that?

    And if you are living in America, you are living in a very ill-informed country. *Lots* of information does not equal 'well-informed.'

    Millions of Americans still believe the president was born in Kenya.
    I've heard it reported from a number of sources, so I'm inclined to believe it (of course, it may be wrong, but usually when from multiple sources, it ends up being right).

    Well what do you know. It's our very own race hustler.

    The White Man Created Ebola To Kill Black People, Says Noted Scientist Louis Farrakhan | The Daily Caller

    Farrakhan claims Ebola invented to kill off blacks | Fox News

    And denying Ebola is a generally held belief by some in the middle of the outbreak areas

    Denying Ebola Turns Out To Be A Very Human Response : Goats and Soda : NPR

    Yeah, rather ill-informed in both of these cases I'd say.

    Oh, and yes, I agree. Mountains of misleading and contradictory data <> informed.
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    Re: 1st Ebola patient diagnosed in the US has died

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    I've heard it reported from a number of sources, so I'm inclined to believe it (of course, it may be wrong, but usually when from multiple sources, it ends up being right).

    Well what do you know. It's our very own race hustler.

    The White Man Created Ebola To Kill Black People, Says Noted Scientist Louis Farrakhan | The Daily Caller

    Farrakhan claims Ebola invented to kill off blacks | Fox News

    And denying Ebola is a generally held belief by some in the middle of the outbreak areas

    Denying Ebola Turns Out To Be A Very Human Response : Goats and Soda : NPR

    Yeah, rather ill-informed in both of these cases I'd say.

    Oh, and yes, I agree. Mountains of misleading and contradictory data <> informed.
    None of those supports your claims.

    Farrakhan's opinions were not spread in Africa and the one about Ebola denial in Africa did not mention blaming it on whites/whites inventing it to wipe them out.
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    Re: 1st Ebola patient diagnosed in the US has died

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Not really. Altho I do see the media helping to promote some misinformation and hype, there is a real danger...in lives but even more in the economy. If panic and poor quarantine management get out of hand....the economy will take a huge dive.
    I don't see what anybody is supposed to do in reaction to hype and manufactured panic beyond handling an ongoing concern in the most practical way they can. And by explaining that it's hype and panic as well, I guess.

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    Re: 1st Ebola patient diagnosed in the US has died

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    None of those supports your claims.

    Farrakhan's opinions were not spread in Africa and the one about Ebola denial in Africa did not mention blaming it on whites/whites inventing it to wipe them out.
    A report from Africa:

    “The people living in these areas said there’s no such thing as ebola,” said a district doctor who spoke on condition of anonymity. “They have their traditional beliefs and their traditional cures and they look up to their traditional leaders. Until we can bring the traditional leaders onside, it will be very difficult to convince them that ebola even exists.”

    As the death toll from the latest outbreak of the world’s deadliest virus climbed to 467 – far exceeding the previous most lethal outbreak which killed 254 people in Congo – officials and health workers are battling a surge of infections propelled by misinformation and doubt about the disease’s existence on one side, and mistrust of scandal-hit governments on the other.
    . . . .
    But an alarmingly wide spread is partly down to geography. “The deaths have been increasing because of traditional burial rites in that region,” said Tolbert Nyenswah, Liberia’s deputy chief medical officer. The Kissi ethnicity, found in all three countries, traditionally keep their dead at home for several days, and mourners touch the deceased’s head frequently before burial.
    . . . .
    A doctor in Sierra Leone said patients’ families often attempted to break them out of treatment centres – often successfully. “Some of them are in denial and that it is something they can treat at home, and faith healers are one of the problems for us. When you have patients disappearing like that, you don’t know where the virus will appear next.”
    . . . .
    Ebola was initially viewed as a government conspiracy to depopulate Sierra Leone’s Kailahun district, and fierce resistance to the arrival of health workers culminated in the stoning of a Doctors Without Borders vehicle. In Liberia, many remain adamant the outbreak is a hoax from government officials seeking to distract from a series of recent scandals, or for health officials to rake in public funds.
    . . . .
    Health workers at the frontline of the battle – often the first to die – face other challenges. Last week, riots broke out and an ambulance was attacked as family members fought to reclaim a victim’s corpse from a hospital in Kenema, Sierra Leone’s third largest city. On the same day, a three-man burial team was chased out of the Liberian town of Banjol where they went to bury a victim. “We need to find a special place to bury these corpses, if not, the bodies will keep piling up on us,” a member of the team said, adding that families often refused to come forward to identify dead relatives for fear of catching it.
    . . . .
    But when the outbreak first began, popular text messages circulating in Guinea said an antidote could be found in a concoction of hot chocolate, coffee, milk, raw onions and sugar.

    “Ebola, ebola, ebola. I hear it everywhere,” said Adama Sherry from behind her market stall in Sierra Leone’s Tombo, a fishing village as yet unaffected by the virus. Sherry admitted she couldn’t list the symptoms, causes or precautions.

    Nearby, a local school had recently emptied out when word spread of routine blood tests being carried out – rumour had it that the needles would infect children with ebola.

    Liberia’s health ministry has begun putting images of ebola-ravaged corpses in newspapers and on television. “They are very graphic but it is working – people are starting to see that ebola is not just a spiritual thing that you can cure through going to church,” Nyenswah, the deputy chief medical officer, said.
    Fear and ignorance as ebola 'out of control' in parts of west Africa | World news | The Guardian

    <*Sigh*> All true, as I said.
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    Re: 1st Ebola patient diagnosed in the US has died

    Greetings, Erik.

    It is interesting that after even seeing the bodies of those that have died from Ebola, many are still in denial about the cause. And cultural beliefs and general distrust of the government add to the problem. How frustrating for the doctors and other medical personnel that are trying to help them, many dying in the process. Fear and ignorance, and adherance to old beliefs, can go hand in hand with "modern" things like television, it seems!

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