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    Re: 1st Ebola patient diagnosed in the US has died

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Correction: I find it statistically irrelevant. As I said in another thread, all communicable diseases should be treated with concern. However, considering how ebola is transmitted and our resources vs. the medical resources of African countries currently plagued by Ebola, there's absolutely no reason to be bent out of shape about this disease unless you're in the habit of touching people who died from ebola and subsequently licking your hands. As news frenzies go, it's no less silly than freaking out because one teenager killed himself after playing Dungeons and Dragons.
    You believe that everyone whose caught this disease has touched someone sick, not simply had surface or material contact, and then they licked their hands? I think that's exaggerating or they wouldn't wear such heavy protection when working with the sick, and I've heard several doctors on TV start to speculate just how contagious this particular strain really is in comparison to earlier versions, because of how wide spread this epidemic has become. Also, every time someone catches the virus it mutates as it interacts with their DNA, so the more it spreads the higher likelihood of it either getting easier or harder to catch.

    I still believe from the low numbers that's it's not a particularly great worry but it is concerning enough to talk about.
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    Re: 1st Ebola patient diagnosed in the US has died[W:33]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    One person who was already too far gone when he went for help. We have a cure for Ebola, but it would of been pointless to use it on the guy, and would of only delayed it's roll out had they chosen to use it. We also don't know how healthy the man was to begin with, which is equally important to what treatment he could of received in the US.



    You're right that 3 isn't enough for an accurate picture. But there have also examples in Africa where Hospitals record kill ratios at 25%, when the yocals decide to cooperate.

    If you're talking about the experimental anti-viral medication we used on the the Doctor and aid worker that returned from Africa then we DON'T have a cure.

    They ran out of that medication and it has never been touted as a cure.

    What Duncan recieved was a new anti-viral that was never tested on Ebola patients.

    We still haven't been able to " Cure " a virus.

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    Re: 1st Ebola patient diagnosed in the US has died

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    See the number of deaths from flu per year, which is far worse than ebola due to actually being airborne. 53,826 people died from influenza and pneumonia in 2010. (cdc)
    To be fair and I know this point has been made many times.

    Influenza tends to kill those not in and of itself, but due to other circumstances which influenza exacerbates.

    I believe Ebola is different in the fact that the deaths are a direct outcome of catching the disease and not a byproduct of other circumstances and the death is pretty ****ing horrific.

    I dunno, I totally get where you're going with what you've been saying and I'm inclined to agree to a certain extent and I'm not all that worried about it knowing the way in which we can manage any potential outbreak.

    But I can understand why many are concerned.

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    Re: 1st Ebola patient diagnosed in the US has died

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    You believe that everyone whose caught this disease has touched someone sick, not simply had surface or material contact, and then they licked their hands? I think that's exaggerating or they wouldn't wear such heavy protection when working with the sick, and I've heard several doctors on TV start to speculate just how contagious this particular strain really is in comparison to earlier versions, because of how wide spread this epidemic has become. Also, every time someone catches the virus it mutates as it interacts with their DNA, so the more it spreads the higher likelihood of it either getting easier or harder to catch.

    I still believe from the low numbers that's it's not a particularly great worry but it is concerning enough to talk about.
    I was joking to make a point that you have to be actively irresponsible to catch the disease, unlike the flu where all you really need is the dumb bad luck to be in the proximity of someone who suddenly coughs in your face at the supermarket.

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    Re: 1st Ebola patient diagnosed in the US has died

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    One person who was already too far gone when he went for help. We have a cure for Ebola, but it would of been pointless to use it on the guy, and would of only delayed it's roll out had they chosen to use it. We also don't know how healthy the man was to begin with, which is equally important to what treatment he could of received in the US.
    I agree overall health, age and immune response have a lot to do with recovery.



    You're right that 3 isn't enough for an accurate picture. But there have also examples in Africa where Hospitals record kill ratios at 25%, when the yocals decide to cooperate.
    Last I heard the overall mortality rate in Africa so far was around 40-50%, but they have deplorable conditions, supplies, practices and facilities.
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    Re: 1st Ebola patient diagnosed in the US has died

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    One person who was already too far gone when he went for help. We have a cure for Ebola, but it would of been pointless to use it on the guy, and would of only delayed it's roll out had they chosen to use it. We also don't know how healthy the man was to begin with, which is equally important to what treatment he could of received in the US.



    You're right that 3 isn't enough for an accurate picture. But there have also examples in Africa where Hospitals record kill ratios at 25%, when the yocals decide to cooperate.
    Wrong, no cure for Ebola exists.

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    Re: 1st Ebola patient diagnosed in the US has died

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    See the number of deaths from flu per year, which is far worse than ebola due to actually being airborne. 53,826 people died from influenza and pneumonia in 2010. (cdc)
    So Ebola is of no concern at all because people died from other things?

    is that what you are saying?

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    Re: 1st Ebola patient diagnosed in the US has died

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I was joking to make a point that you have to be actively irresponsible to catch the disease, unlike the flu where all you really need is the dumb bad luck to be in the proximity of someone who suddenly coughs in your face at the supermarket.
    I'm not really that scared yet either. I'd like to see the WHO, Europe and US gov't respond a little better. And unless something drastically changes, I don't see a raging pandemic happening yet.

    One Newscaster last night was saying, do everyone a favor and sneeze into your folded arm at the elbow, instead of your hands, because surface to mouth contact is the highest probability of catching the flu....lol
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    Re: 1st Ebola patient diagnosed in the US has died[W:33]

    Treating Ebola like Aids was treated in the 80s is going to cost lives.

    Thats my only concern.

    Heard today that Ebola survives in a male survivors semen for 90 days after they recover.

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    Re: 1st Ebola patient diagnosed in the US has died

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Not all unexpected. I heard yesterday he was downgraded to critical. What I'm more interested in at this point is just how many people will actually come down with Ebola from the 52 people that had some form of contact with him. That will ultimately decide just how big an issue Ebola will become.
    I heard that as well and was expecting this news. I feel sorry for anyone who had contact with him. If I did, I'd be worried as hell.
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