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    Re: Seattle Changes Columbus Day to Indigenous Peoples’ Day

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    Yes, I am serious. You are a cultist.

    You accept no deviation from the narrative you've been taught/self-taught/indoctrinated in. I'm not even talking about accepting something else completely different, I'm talking about just accepting a deviation on the narrative you spin. You won't accept the fact that he was brave. You won't accept the fact that the natives were technologically backwards, almost stone-age like, and the realities of those times that the weak suffered what they must, as all people have when they faced a greater opponent... whether today you deem it just or not. Those were the times.
    What... are you even blabbering about? The narrative about Christopher Columbus was positive for the better part of 400+ years. It was only when he was scrutinized by academic research and an analysis of his body count that he literally came to life as a murderous, psychopath who accidentally bumped into a continent he mistook for something else until the day he died. Now run along, you're fooling nobody here.
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    Re: Seattle Changes Columbus Day to Indigenous Peoples’ Day

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    Yes, I am serious. You are a cultist.

    You accept no deviation from the narrative you've been taught/self-taught/indoctrinated in. I'm not even talking about accepting something else completely different, I'm talking about just accepting a deviation on the narrative you spin. You won't accept the fact that he was brave. You won't accept the fact that the natives were technologically backwards, almost stone-age like, and the realities of those times that the weak suffered what they must, as all people have when they faced a greater opponent... whether today you deem it just or not. Those were the times.

    You don't read or reply to my comments in full and cut out large parts of my comment in order to perpetrate your agenda of misinformation.

    And you keep using flash-words in your statements, supplementing substance with superficiality.

    You my friend, are a cultist in the cult of "I hate Columbus with Passion". You cannot judge history through modern lenses. You need to see things through the eyes of those times to gather knowledge and grow your mind. Otherwise, you're basically just talking ignorance painted in a thin coat of "enlightenment" that everyone, except those weak of mind, can see through.

    Your moral outrage signals the fact that you are a very limited man, of limited experience and very limited knowledge. And I pity you.
    It all depends on what lense you want to look at Columbus through. The uncut truth version is not very pleasant, that so much death, destruction and misery had to happen for me to be writing this to you. But if you're looking at Columbus from a strictly moral POV, the argument for Columbus is indefensible, that it was just something from that time. Why? Because old dead philosophers had already laid the foundation and structural framework of what is morally acceptable, and what is not. Massacring peaceful people was immoral during Columbus' day, just as it was when Aristotle wrote Nicomachean Ethics. Humans did not discover empathy and sympathy after Columbus' "discovery," it was already well-established. The alternative is looking at it geopolitically, where morality does not have a place at the table, although anticipating emotionality is part of the calculus of any strategizer.

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    Re: Seattle Changes Columbus Day to Indigenous Peoples’ Day

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Whatever culture once existed in the Americas is extinct now, and is therefore irrelevant. The culture which now exists in the Western hemisphere is overwhelmingly the result of European ideas and influence.
    Lmao, what a nonsensical argument. Mayan culture is still existent. So is Huichol culture. So is Iroquois culture. They didn't cease to exist. Have you ever taken a history class?

    How on Earth do you figure, dude?

    Again, without European colonization, NONE OF US WOULD BE HERE TODAY to even be talking about this in the first place.

    You owe literally everything in your cushy, democratic, first-world North American life to the fact of European colonization of the Americas and it's impacts.

    "2+2= Blue?"
    Good grief, third time I have to explain this to you: Something happening for which a segment of society wouldn't be here today is not enough of a reason to celebrate it. Are you following this yet? Or do I have to make it clearer.

    European colonization of the Americas was not purely negative.
    Lmao, neither were any of those examples I posted. Something positive can be linked to all of them if one makes enough of a superficial effort. However, the point is that those positives don't make them worthy of celebration. Are you being purposely obtuse too?

    For Europeans, it was a world-changing, positive event. Hell! It was even a positive event for the natives who were smart enough to assimilate.
    Great, let Europeans celebrate it. You however aren't an European and literally have nothing to do with the discovery itself. While you're at it, quit trying to connect yourself to it and the complaining when others do the same.

    The culture of the modern Western Hemisphere finds it points of origin in the European colonists who settled here. As such, it's culture is overwhelmingly "European" in general character.
    Lmao, what nonsense. "European culture"? Which part? We haven't been colonies for over 200 years. We established republics while they were still trying to deal with monarchies. We were industrializing when most of Europe still lived in shacks. What part of our culture is European? North America and Europe have been distinct cultures for well over a few hundred years now. Get over it.

    Who the Hell says we don't?
    You may, we as a country don't. Don't be purposely obtuse. It'll add to your already weak arguments about "But it happened in history!"

    Personally, I think the Roman Empire was a great thing. A lot of people agree. That's why it's constantly glorified in media and in history books.

    Being Catholic, I also celebrate Constantine's conversion to Christianity, as well as the Crusades.

    As to why they're not "officially" celebrated by the US government, they are simply too far removed from the history of the United States to be terribly relevant. That is not the case where Columbus' discovery of the New World is concerned.

    Anyone with even a lick of common sense can see it.

    The rest of your post is simply rehashing the same tired old spastic points you've repeated time and again. It will be ignored as such.
    Lmao, you're being silly now. The Reconquista ended the same exact year Columbus reached the Americas. Why isn't that celebrated along with Columbus' non-discovery? Now, whether you want to celebrate it in an attempt to sound like you've made a case, it's fine. However, it's the last stance of a see through position that has been refuted on various grounds.

    Reasons to celebrate it, their refutations, and the questions you've been unable to answer:

    1. Get over it.
    A) Ummm... get over the fact it happened? Irrelevant to the question of whether it should be celebrated.

    2. It happened in history and it's important!
    So are a multitude of other events that don't get celebrated. Why is this one so special.

    3. He discovered the Americas!
    Top 5 Misconceptions About Columbus | Christopher Columbus & Intrepid Explorers | Columbus Day | Flat-Earth Myth & Who Discovered the Americas

    Yes, let's ignore the fact that millions of humans already inhabited this land later to be called the Americas, having discovered it millennia before. And let's ignore that whole Leif Ericson voyage to Greenland and modern-day Canada around 1000 C.M.E. If Columbus discovered America, he himself didn't know. Until his death he claimed to have landed in Asia, even though most navigators knew he didn't. [Top 10 Intrepid Explorers]
    4. The stuff that happened after he arrived was positive!
    Um... yes... positive stuff does happen and it should be examined on its own merits. Columbus' arrival set in motion colonization and enslavement. That Henry Ford would later create the F1 has nothing to do with that.

    5. Europeans are here!
    And... what? So are Germans. Should we celebrate Hitler's invasion of Poland? Without it, WWII would have never happened and the decision to create a state for Jews wouldn't have either! See how simplistic the line of reason you're using is?
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    Re: Seattle Changes Columbus Day to Indigenous Peoples’ Day

    I think this thread demonstrates nicely what the right wing means when they talk about political correctness. It seems like giving honor to non-whites or to those who are not part of the white-positive narrative is simply political correctness. Giving honor to non-Christians or to those who are not part of the Christian-positive narrative is simply political correctness. Giving honor to women or to those who are not part of the male-positive narrative is simply political correctness.

    This cannot help but demonstrate that, fundamental to these right wing beliefs, is that the white, Christian, male really is better than everyone else. To suggest that this group of people were not constantly at the forefront of history, and shaped this world into the modern one we have in front of us, to suggest that a world in their hands is not going to lead us to the best possible world, is blasphemy of the highest order. Even actors outside of that demographic, like MLK and Joan of Arc, fit the positive narrative for that group. MLK made strides for equality by rejecting violence and, in the views of whites, acting more like a white man. Joan of Arc made great gains for her people by abandoning her femininity and acting like a man, and she was suitably punished for her gender-bending transgression despite her successes. In both cases, the supremacy of the supposed master type is secure.

    Political correctness, then, is when you lie and attribute the rightful gains of white, Christian men (also heterosexual) to others less deserving. It's a direct attack on the natural order of things by trying to dethrone those among us who are the best. Other cultures aren't as good as ours. Other ethnic groups aren't as good as we are. Other traditions, places, religions, social structures, economic ideas... they're all inferior, and it offends the conservatives and their idealized white, Christian, heterosexual men when you suggest otherwise. How dare anyone suggest that these lesser forms of human expression are on the same level as this ideal? All that does is damage the ideal way of life.

    That is what this thread and others like it have demonstrated to me.
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    Re: Seattle Changes Columbus Day to Indigenous Peoples’ Day

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Years ago the State of Washington removed Columbus day as a state holiday and replaced it with the day after Thanksgiving, thereby giving everybody a four day weekend. Incredibly intelligent move. Now we can say we removed Indigenous Peoples' Day as a state holiday. Who cares?
    Now that is a great idea.
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    Re: Seattle Changes Columbus Day to Indigenous Peoples’ Day

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale
    I think this thread demonstrates nicely what the right wing means when they talk about political correctness. It seems like giving honor to non-whites or to those who are not part of the white-positive narrative is simply political correctness. Giving honor to non-Christians or to those who are not part of the Christian-positive narrative is simply political correctness. Giving honor to women or to those who are not part of the male-positive narrative is simply political correctness.

    This cannot help but demonstrate that, fundamental to these right wing beliefs, is that the white, Christian, male really is better than everyone else. To suggest that this group of people were not constantly at the forefront of history, and shaped this world into the modern one we have in front of us, to suggest that a world in their hands is not going to lead us to the best possible world, is blasphemy of the highest order. Even actors outside of that demographic, like MLK and Joan of Arc, fit the positive narrative for that group. MLK made strides for equality by rejecting violence and, in the views of whites, acting more like a white man. Joan of Arc made great gains for her people by abandoning her femininity and acting like a man, and she was suitably punished for her gender-bending transgression despite her successes. In both cases, the supremacy of the supposed master type is secure.

    Political correctness, then, is when you lie and attribute the rightful gains of white, Christian men (also heterosexual) to others less deserving. It's a direct attack on the natural order of things by trying to dethrone those among us who are the best. Other cultures aren't as good as ours. Other ethnic groups aren't as good as we are. Other traditions, places, religions, social structures, economic ideas... they're all inferior, and it offends the conservatives and their idealized white, Christian, heterosexual men when you suggest otherwise. How dare anyone suggest that these lesser forms of human expression are on the same level as this ideal? All that does is damage the ideal way of life.

    That is what this thread and others like it have demonstrated to me.
    Very well said.

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    Re: Seattle Changes Columbus Day to Indigenous Peoples’ Day

    Wow, Seattle is going full on garden rat crazy aren't they ?

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    Re: Seattle Changes Columbus Day to Indigenous Peoples’ Day

    Oh great! A "I hate America" thread. That's new here.
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    Re: Seattle Changes Columbus Day to Indigenous Peoples’ Day

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    What... are you even blabbering about? The narrative about Christopher Columbus was positive for the better part of 400+ years. It was only when he was scrutinized by academic research and an analysis of his body count that he literally came to life as a murderous, psychopath who accidentally bumped into a continent he mistook for something else until the day he died. Now run along, you're fooling nobody here.
    No, it was only when it started to be warped by the "social-justice" people who are generally people at the bottom of the intellectual totem poll, but they have a loud mouth and cry a lot because they can't control themselves, that people arranged another rhetoric to suit them and stop them crying. Like you do with a child, you give him the stupid toy to stop him from crying.

    Columbus is celebrated for his greatness, not for whatever deficiencies he had or reprehensible deeds he's done.
    No human is without fault and therefore, but all humans must have something to aspire to in order to achieve greatness. For most, that's an ideal, but sometimes, it helps if people can be molded into the most humane form of that ideal.
    Columbus was a brave explorer and an adventurer. I will not permit you take that away from him by using words like these.
    And I will not permit you to take away his findings and his prestige. He did discover america whether you like it or not.

    The rest are the faults that people generally have. I am sorry that they offend you. In the prism of those times, what he did may be reprehensible but other people did worse than him and they brought nothing to further our understanding of the world we live in.

    So take your cultist propaganda out of here because you are outmatched. Reality and truth are not on your side no matter how much you try and spin it.

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    Re: Seattle Changes Columbus Day to Indigenous Peoples’ Day

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    I think this thread demonstrates nicely what the right wing means when they talk about political correctness. It seems like giving honor to non-whites or to those who are not part of the white-positive narrative is simply political correctness. Giving honor to non-Christians or to those who are not part of the Christian-positive narrative is simply political correctness. Giving honor to women or to those who are not part of the male-positive narrative is simply political correctness.

    This cannot help but demonstrate that, fundamental to these right wing beliefs, is that the white, Christian, male really is better than everyone else. To suggest that this group of people were not constantly at the forefront of history, and shaped this world into the modern one we have in front of us, to suggest that a world in their hands is not going to lead us to the best possible world, is blasphemy of the highest order. Even actors outside of that demographic, like MLK and Joan of Arc, fit the positive narrative for that group. MLK made strides for equality by rejecting violence and, in the views of whites, acting more like a white man. Joan of Arc made great gains for her people by abandoning her femininity and acting like a man, and she was suitably punished for her gender-bending transgression despite her successes. In both cases, the supremacy of the supposed master type is secure.

    Political correctness, then, is when you lie and attribute the rightful gains of white, Christian men (also heterosexual) to others less deserving. It's a direct attack on the natural order of things by trying to dethrone those among us who are the best. Other cultures aren't as good as ours. Other ethnic groups aren't as good as we are. Other traditions, places, religions, social structures, economic ideas... they're all inferior, and it offends the conservatives and their idealized white, Christian, heterosexual men when you suggest otherwise. How dare anyone suggest that these lesser forms of human expression are on the same level as this ideal? All that does is damage the ideal way of life.

    That is what this thread and others like it have demonstrated to me.
    You should take those tumblrite talking points outta here before you make a fool of yourself.

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