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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Everything's gotta start some time. Just think: before the wheel was invented there were literally billions of years in which there were no wheels at all (at least not so far as we're aware).
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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    A convenient argument if you think that allows you to just dismiss any ruling you don't like.

    Overturning same-sex marriage bans is not a mistake. It's defending individual freedom. Homosexuals do not have to justify their individual liberty to you by proving this wont lead to some other, unrelated thing you also personally disapprove of.
    That's not what I was talking about.
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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    And when the best argument you have before the Supreme Court of the United States is semantics...
    Well it's not, so you have no point. You seem to be responding to the wrong topic.
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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    20 years from now you will be afraid to admit you ever opposed same-sex marriage because nothing you feared will have come true and you will likely meet same-sex families and will feel embarrassed that you tried to denigrate them based on absolutely nothing. You are like those people who supported interracial marriage bans in the 60s. In the future people will see you the same way you see them.
    I'm quite sure I won't. I've opposed abortion longer than that, as have many. I have absolutely no fear in saying that. So you are wrong there. And again, another person jumping in late and not reading the previous posts. I have barely commented on SSM. I'm talking about Constitutional issues, try and keep up, you are off topic regarding my posts.
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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    It's about 'momentum' which is public opinion AND the recognition of the validity of rights for a minorityand .

    It's very sad that it took 100 yrs after the Civil War for such momentum to be gathered at the federal level....and it certainly had NOT been in some of the southern states.

    Jim Crow was WRONG. It's sad that it took 100 yrs to gain that momentum for blacks. If we recognize injustice for gays, isnt it the RIGHT thing to do to rectify inequality for them?

    (Yeah, I know....you dont give a crap...oops, 'recognize the need for'...about equal rights for gays.)
    Your comparison of blacks' struggle for civil rights with homosexuals' efforts to get laws changed so they can marry each other is an insult to black Americans. Every grievance group that comes down the pike wants to hitch its wagon to the black civil rights movement. As if homosexuals were being lynched, or turned away from schools, restaurants, and hotels, or kept from voting, or denied jobs, or having fire hoses and dogs turned on them. For shame!

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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Your comparison of blacks' struggle for civil rights with homosexuals' efforts to get laws changed so they can marry each other is an insult to black Americans. Every grievance group that comes down the pike wants to hitch its wagon to the black civil rights movement. As if homosexuals were being lynched, or turned away from schools, restaurants, and hotels, or kept from voting, or denied jobs, or having fire hoses and dogs turned on them. For shame!
    Are you saying that gays are not deserving of civil rights the way blacks and women are? Gays have been persecuted, killed, fired, turned away (hey...did you miss where the bakery didnt want to bake them a cake?)

    They have certainly been denied jobs. "Dont ask, dont tell" anyone? Not tot mention in the private sector. Or how about the Boy Scouts? And they've had their share of hoses and dogs and beatings and being dragged behind vehicles. How about being denied custody of their own, biological kids?

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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Well it's not, so you have no point. You seem to be responding to the wrong topic.
    Yes, it is. All you've got is semantics, moral disapproval, tradition, and slippery slope fallacies. "You can't have same-sex marriage because marriage means a man and a woman" is arguing semantics.
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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Yep, and if the state had a constitution that laid down one man and one woman definition of marriage they would only be in violation of the 14th if they didn't allow one man to marry one woman. That's equality under the law.

    As for the rest, it's just nonsense in this discussion. You cannot claim with a straight face that homosexual marriage has anything to do with our need for survival.

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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    I'm quite sure I won't. I've opposed abortion longer than that, as have many. I have absolutely no fear in saying that. So you are wrong there. And again, another person jumping in late and not reading the previous posts. I have barely commented on SSM. I'm talking about Constitutional issues, try and keep up, you are off topic regarding my posts.
    Meh. This is not abortion. You likely do not meet or encounter many people who are open about having an abortion. You will likely meet more families headed by same-sex couples in the future. You will know the real people. You will know their kids. You will witness their relationship and their choices. And when you get away from the abstract ideological crap and see the real people and the pragmatic effect I doubt you will feel the same way. I could be wrong but I sincerely feel with more experience you will one day feel very foolish for having opposed same-sex marriage.

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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Your comparison of blacks' struggle for civil rights with homosexuals' efforts to get laws changed so they can marry each other is an insult to black Americans. Every grievance group that comes down the pike wants to hitch its wagon to the black civil rights movement. As if homosexuals were being lynched, or turned away from schools, restaurants, and hotels, or kept from voting, or denied jobs, or having fire hoses and dogs turned on them. For shame!
    ...

    Up until a decade ago gays could be sent to prison in many states for having sex with their partner. A couple decades before that being gay was recognized as a mental illness that people tried to cure with electro convulsive therapy. A few decades before that the Nazis killed tens of thousands of gays in concentration camps. A few decades before that it was considered liberal to castrate gays rather than put them to death in this country.

    What history did you study?

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