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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

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    How is it new? What is different? DOMA might have been specific but that was very recent.
    There was no such thing as SSM.
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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    That is a bit more complicated than "people make mistakes." In this case, and many by the Federal courts, I'd have to call it more than a mistake. Actually, they had quite a while to work on it, so it's more like a colossal, egregious blunder. And that's the point I was making, that our Supreme Court has a history full of this, and will do so in the future.
    It's about 'momentum' which is public opinion AND the recognition of the validity of rights for a minority.

    It's very sad that it took 100 yrs after the Civil War for such momentum to be gathered at the federal level....and it certainly had NOT been in some of the southern states.

    Jim Crow was WRONG. It's sad that it took 100 yrs to gain that momentum for blacks. If we recognize injustice for gays, isnt it the RIGHT thing to do to rectify inequality for them?

    (Yeah, I know....you dont give a crap...oops, 'recognize the need for'...about equal rights for gays.)
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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    There was no such thing as SSM.
    Yes, it didn't exist before and now it does. But "it didn't exist before" is also not an argument that works in court.

    I don't disagree that this is an important court case to rule on, it's just that the anti-equality folks really don't have an argument worth anything. I mean really, how many of their arguments have you found even remotely compelling?
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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    There was no such thing as SSM.
    2 gay people marrying was not being proposed? Huh. I seem to remember it.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Since there is no harm that has been proven or even historically demonstrated (gays living together, gays raising families), why would it be so 'important' or come under such rigorous scrutiny? If there is a need to show it's in the best interests of the states (yeah, not registering the correct phrasing there at the moment)....it can certainly be done by showing that the children in gay marriages would benefit from the same legal protections as those in straight families.
    Since there was no SSM before, it took some getting used to. Evolution of attitudes on this question has been breathtakingly rapid. I believe you are right about the lack of harm but that's really not central to the shift in attitudes.
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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

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    2 gay people marrying was not being proposed? Huh. I seem to remember it.
    Yes, proposed in the last twenty years. That's a nanosecond in cultural development.
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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Yes, it didn't exist before and now it does. But "it didn't exist before" is also not an argument that works in court.

    I don't disagree that this is an important court case to rule on, it's just that the anti-equality folks really don't have an argument worth anything. I mean really, how many of their arguments have you found even remotely compelling?
    Which is why the SCOTUS declined to hear the appeals.
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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

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    Yes, proposed in the last twenty years. That's a nanosecond in cultural development.
    And yet momentum clearly has built.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Yes, proposed in the last twenty years. That's a nanosecond in cultural development.
    Everything's gotta start some time. Just think: before the wheel was invented there were literally billions of years in which there were no wheels at all (at least not so far as we're aware).

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