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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Well, if they are so great, why didn't they get rid of it the first time it was before them?
    Because people make mistakes? Why didn't our founding fathers get rid of slavery from the beginning or give women the right to vote from the very start of our country?
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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    Why does the documentation have to come from the government? Government recognizes and enforces private contracts as well. Legal kinship could easily be recogonized through private contracts. Nothing needs to be issued from the government.
    All legal kinship recognition comes from the government because the government handles legal matters, which is where such recognition actually occurs. No legal kinship is done through anything but the government.
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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    I'm not debating whether something is discriminatory or not. Obviously holding same-sex couples to a different standard is unconstitutional and discriminatory. Please try to stick to my point.

    My point is that legal kinship does not require a marriage license to be recognized. Even if you are not related by blood, you do not need a marriage license in order for legal kinship to be recognized. If legal kinship is granted by a marriage license, then it should be granted to opposite-sex and same-sex couples alike. But the fact remains that if there were no such thing as a marriage license, legal kinship would not suddenly be impossible. It could be recognized just fine through other means, none involving government issued licenses.
    Legal kinship requires some sort of government recognized documentation to exist. You need a marriage license to be recognized as someone's legal spouse, just as you need a birth certificate or official adoption record or court order (all from the government) to be recognized as any other legal kin (connections made somewhat like that linking the actors via roles game).
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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    In other words, you got nuthin'. And you are just another that's fallen into the "Loving" trap and don't have what it takes to admit that you are wrong about it. Obviously, you need to ignore that "Loving" is completely different, because you want so very badly for it to fit your argument. But it's a case about race, not marriage, which I'm sure you know, not even that deep down, but... you... just... can't... face the truth. Carry on.

    lol....if you read and understood Loving you would know that it isn't "Completely different"....loving was about marriage....it was also about race. Being about one does not require the exclusion of the other (maybe you didn't realize that). The reality is, the Supreme Court in Loving stated in no unclear terms that the right to marry is one of the most fundamental rights that a human being has. You can try to spin and cajole all you want....it doesn't change the facts. If you want to converse intelligently on the topic, I suggest you take a course or do a little self study on conlaw. Education is not something to fear.
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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    lol....if you read and understood Loving you would know that it isn't "Completely different"....loving was about marriage....it was also about race. Being about one does not require the exclusion of the other (maybe you didn't realize that). The reality is, the Supreme Court in Loving stated in no unclear terms that the right to marry is one of the most fundamental rights that a human being has. You can try to spin and cajole all you want....it doesn't change the facts. If you want to converse intelligently on the topic, I suggest you take a course or do a little self study on conlaw. Education is not something to fear.
    You are correct about Loving, although it's inconceivable that the court deciding that case would have had SSM in mind. And that's where the analogy breaks down, IMHO. The debate about SSM has been about whether there can be such a thing as SSM (which I favor, btw).
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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

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    U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage - Bloomberg



    The SCOTUS has ruled they will leave it up to the states to decide and will not take up a nationwide ruling on same sex marriage. This means that lower court ruling will stay in place unless challenged in the future. No federal ruling of marriage is in the near future....
    So I heard Mark Levin yelling and screaming about that as if it was a bad thing: he of course did not explain, but I undersatand as well that conservatives are somehow upset with this. Does anyone know why?
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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    You are correct about Loving, although it's inconceivable that the court deciding that case would have had SSM in mind. And that's where the analogy breaks down, IMHO. The debate about SSM has been about whether there can be such a thing as SSM (which I favor, btw).
    Doesn't matter whether or not they had it in mind. They set the precedent. Marriage is a right, and certain classifications are protected. Gender is one of them. Some level of constitutional scrutiny applies, and same-sex marriage bans don't pass any of them.
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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Doesn't matter whether or not they had it in mind. They set the precedent. Marriage is a right, and certain classifications are protected. Gender is one of them. Some level of constitutional scrutiny applies, and same-sex marriage bans don't pass any of them.
    Re SSM bans, I agree and so does the SCOTUS. Otherwise, no. A decision about access to a traditional social convention cannot be a precedent for the validity of creating a new social convention.
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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Re SSM bans, I agree and so does the SCOTUS. Otherwise, no. A decision about access to a traditional social convention cannot be a precedent for the validity of creating a new social convention.
    Trying to narrow marriage into merely a "traditional social convention" is disingenuous. It is also a broad range of legal and economic benefits and rights. Decisions about those legal rights absolutely can carry future precedent.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Because people make mistakes? Why didn't our founding fathers get rid of slavery from the beginning or give women the right to vote from the very start of our country?
    That is a bit more complicated than "people make mistakes." In this case, and many by the Federal courts, I'd have to call it more than a mistake. Actually, they had quite a while to work on it, so it's more like a colossal, egregious blunder. And that's the point I was making, that our Supreme Court has a history full of this, and will do so in the future.
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