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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

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    Which is still better than having left it up to the states themselves, where it would have been longer, evidenced by the fact that segregation is still on the books in at least one state and interracial marriage bans were just removed from SC and Alabama constitution/laws around 15 years ago.
    Well, if they are so great, why didn't they get rid of it the first time it was before them?
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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    It does if you are not related by blood. In that case, only things like marriage and adoption are acceptable and those require legal paperwork. Which, costs $$ unless you get it automatically thru marriage. It is the extra cost that is discriminatory.
    I'm not debating whether something is discriminatory or not. Obviously holding same-sex couples to a different standard is unconstitutional and discriminatory. Please try to stick to my point.

    My point is that legal kinship does not require a marriage license to be recognized. Even if you are not related by blood, you do not need a marriage license in order for legal kinship to be recognized. If legal kinship is granted by a marriage license, then it should be granted to opposite-sex and same-sex couples alike. But the fact remains that if there were no such thing as a marriage license, legal kinship would not suddenly be impossible. It could be recognized just fine through other means, none involving government issued licenses.
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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    It requires some form of documentation from the government, which is what the marriage license is.
    Why does the documentation have to come from the government? Government recognizes and enforces private contracts as well. Legal kinship could easily be recogonized through private contracts. Nothing needs to be issued from the government.
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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    I'm not debating whether something is discriminatory or not. Obviously holding same-sex couples to a different standard is unconstitutional and discriminatory. Please try to stick to my point.

    My point is that legal kinship does not require a marriage license to be recognized. Even if you are not related by blood, you do not need a marriage license in order for legal kinship to be recognized. If legal kinship is granted by a marriage license, then it should be granted to opposite-sex and same-sex couples alike. But the fact remains that if there were no such thing as a marriage license, legal kinship would not suddenly be impossible. It could be recognized just fine through other means, none involving government issued licenses.

    What other document establishes legal kinship for the myriad of laws that exist and do so for the $35.00 of a Civil Marriage license?

    (And no Powers of Attorney do not establish legal kinship, the provide a legal proxy - something totally different).



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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    I don't support SSM, which is an aside from the issue I am posting about. I support SSU.
    So, it's literally that you just don't want the gays to use "your" word. And you're willing to create an entirely redundant government process to accomplish that goal.

    Interesting. Why should the government have to do all that to protect your personal definition of a word? Why not my definition? I'd like heterosexual couples to use "civil union" and homosexual couples to use "marriage." Is that an acceptable compromise to you? That way, the religious don't have to feel like they're being forced into the same grouping with something they disagree with. Their religious liberty is 100% secured. They'd be equally treated, right? So you'd have no problem with that, right?
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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    What other document establishes legal kinship for the myriad of laws that exist and do so for the $35.00 of a Civil Marriage license?

    (And no Powers of Attorney do not establish legal kinship, the provide a legal proxy - something totally different).



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    Why are you bringing up powers of attorney? You don't need an attorney to sign a contract for you in order for it to enforced by the court system. What specifically are you saying is impossible without a government issued marriage license?
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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    Why are you bringing up powers of attorney? You don't need an attorney to sign a contract for you in order for it to enforced by the court system. What specifically are you saying is impossible without a government issued marriage license?
    Not impossible. Harder, lengthier, more expensive, and not as bulletproof in court. Nobody said impossible. Why did you bring up impossible?

    edit: But hey, you want something impossible? Sure. Spousal privilege in a criminal trial.
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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    Why does the documentation have to come from the government? Government recognizes and enforces private contracts as well. Legal kinship could easily be recogonized through private contracts. Nothing needs to be issued from the government.
    National defense doesn't "need" to be done by the government either. But government is better at it than you are.
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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    Why are you bringing up powers of attorney? You don't need an attorney to sign a contract for you in order for it to enforced by the court system. What specifically are you saying is impossible without a government issued marriage license?

    I'm asking what other documents establish a legal next of kin relationship with the same scope currently existing for a $35.00 marriage license that is recognized and enforceable in all 50 states?



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