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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Well, some people just don't care what the law is or how society works, so it becomes a waste of time to sit there and spoon feed it to them. They don't get it, because they refuse to get it. The argument I'm making has almost nothing to do with SSM. I'm not for SSM, so I am not blinded by that carrot in front of me, and the law of the land be damned. At least that seems to be the mindset. The Supreme Court should have said that the federal courts do not have the power to override the State's decision on SSM.

    But, they are okay with the court intervening against the state, because, this time, they get what they want. But, you know what else you get when you let the court ignore the Constitution? Slavery, segregation, Americans thrown in internment camps based on their race, etc... I wonder what future atrocities we can look forward to from our courts because we look the other way when they take power.
    No, they shouldn't have said that, and the various decisions at every circuit case to date explain why. The idea that they shouldn't is just your opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Segregation was instituted by states and overturned by courts.
    I should have said that.

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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Well, some people just don't care what the law is or how society works, so it becomes a waste of time to sit there and spoon feed it to them. They don't get it, because they refuse to get it. The argument I'm making has almost nothing to do with SSM. I'm not for SSM, so I am not blinded by that carrot in front of me, and the law of the land be damned. At least that seems to be the mindset. The Supreme Court should have said that the federal courts do not have the power to override the State's decision on SSM.

    But, they are okay with the court intervening against the state, because, this time, they get what they want. But, you know what else you get when you let the court ignore the Constitution? Slavery, segregation, Americans thrown in internment camps based on their race, etc... I wonder what future atrocities we can look forward to from our courts because we look the other way when they take power.
    Wow that is extraordinary and twisted spin you are engaging in on this one. The issue is almost 180 degrees from what you are trying to pretend it is. This isn't about the court "ignoring" the Constitution. Its completely about the court requiring states to abide by the Constitution....which is exactly what prevents states from segregating people by race. I suggest that you read up on your conlaw, particularly loving v. Virginia before you engage in such calesthentics to bend over, twist and cajole the way you just performed for us in your post.
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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    The conflict is when the SCOTUS refused to consider Baker v Nelson, essentially ruling that marriage a state issue not a federal one. The SCOTUS cant say that there is no constitutional issue with a same sex marriage ban and also say that it violates the constitution.
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    I hate to say that this really sounds like what happened.

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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    And there are lower courts to deal with the issue in those states. I'm sorry things are moving too slowly for you, but the Supreme Court docket is full of cases where people claim to be having their rights denied, and there is actual conflict in the lower courts requiring resolution.
    How long should people have to wait for their rights? If it is the "right" thing to do then it should be done.

    It took 100 yrs after the Civil War to really attack Jim Crow laws. That was wrong. It's sad that it took so long for that momentum to build. We should learn from our past.

    The momentum has built for SSM....it's embarrassing really. I hate to be part of a generation known to have resisted it so forcefully. Future generations will look back on us and at best comment on our ignorance and at worst, view it as malice. (Much like we look back now on those who lived during slavery)

    (This is a general statement based on what I've been reading in the thread, not directed at you personally.)
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    can you smell that? its fear!
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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    The Supreme Court really can't avoid this issue forever. It will come back to them if, and more likely when, a gay couple, legally married in one state moves to a state where SSM is not recognized and demands equal treatment under the law. Likewise, when a gay couple who live in a state where SSM is not recognized travels to a state that does recognize it and legally marries only to return to their home state and demand equal treatment under their home state's laws.
    Maybe not, but since this is a state's rights issue they might be able to avoid it for a while.

    Historically, states have honored the marriages from other states but it would be interesting to see how a non-gay marriage state would handle the legal union of a married gay couple that moved into their state. That would be the only route I could see for gay couples to force the SCOTUS to take up the gay marriage ban.
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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    I am no Constitutional scholar, but if you see little difference, then you don't even have a basic understanding of the cases, the subjects, and the Constitution. Can't really put it any other way.
    IMO, you just choose to ignore that the type of discrimination is exactly the same against sexual orientation as it is/was against race. Many people thought (& sadly still do) think that interracial 'mixing' and marriage are wrong, but most have advanced. But the arguments they made against marriage were worded exactly the same as many of those against SSM. They even "interpreted" religious passages to use their religious beliefs in the fight. The states made the same arguments against Interracial marriage. And the decision the court made in Loving vs VA uses much of the same language to overturn interracial marriage is much the same as we're seeing in SSM decisions.

    The states/courts dont need to use sexual orientation in their decisions however, if they dont want to, in order to use the equal protection clause. It comes down to gender, which is protected. The states cannot discriminate based on gender when it comes to contracts. And the legal recognition of marriage is a contract.
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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Maybe not, but since this is a state's rights issue they might be able to avoid it for a while.

    Historically, states have honored the marriages from other states but it would be interesting to see how a non-gay marriage state would handle the legal union of a married gay couple that moved into their state. That would be the only route I could see for gay couples to force the SCOTUS to take up the gay marriage ban.

    The conditions you mention were already part of the cases that were rejected. In Virginia's Bostic v. Schaefer the couple was legally married in California and were part of the suit to have that marriage recognized.



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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Nope, it was about INTERRACIAL marriage. Ignoring that detail isn't helping your argument.
    LOL....that's like trying to argue that marriage and inter-racial marriage are two different things. If you read Loving, you would know that fundamentally, Loving is about marriage....period. The court recognized a fundamental right to marry and then addressed by bans on inter-racial marriage cannot be upheld. You either are not familiar with the case or completely didn't understand what the court was saying.
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