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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    they punted the issue, and will have to revisit it if a circuit court upholds a state ban. it's my opinion that they should have heard the case, but i've said that already.
    pretty ridiculous to take up those appeals when they punt now, considering the winning side in the lower court (pro gay marriage) pleaded just as strongly for SCOTUS to take up the cases. It's a complete cowardly move, placating the bigots for a year or 2 and giving no explanation.

    It's so transparent what ginsburg is doing, given her roe v wade comments, yet oklahoma is among those where SSM is suddenly now legal. Does she expect more opposition from ohio had they granted cert? Just senseless.

    Since i expected this to be resolved positively in june, only good thing from this from my pov is the couples in this handful of states don't have to wait till june.
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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Thanks for the softball. First, there is no pro-discrimination side in this. Second, all men can marry women, all women can marry men. No one has to, many don't. That covers everyone.
    So if, for sake of argument, marriage law read that people can only marry the same gender, you'd be totally cool with that, no discrimination? After all, same law for everyone.

    How about if you can only marry the same race? Starting to see a pattern here...

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    And third, I really don't like when people decide to use the government, unconstitutionally, to force their desires on everyone else.
    lol, it's the supreme court's job to *uphold* the constitution, which was violated via these state laws.

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    That has to be stopped, it undermines our society. If SSM happens, it needs to happen within the rules that we have set up. You can't have an entire State vote on an issue, and then when you lose, get one person to flip it. What the Hell was the vote for???
    Then tell the voters and your state reps to stop wasting their time and $ on discrimination. It's all their fault, no sympathy from me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Oh, and as a little P.S. to this entire argument. The left couldn't give a rat's butt about gays and whether or not they can marry, if they could get more votes by being on the other side of the issue, they'd leave you all at the alter in a heartbeat. Don't kid yourselves.
    If by "the left," you mean democrats in office, i totally agree. They are politicians and the vast majority didn't jump on board the pro gay rights train until polls supported it. In fact, two federal laws since overturn (DADT and "DOMA") were put in place by a dem president.

    If by "the left" you mean liberals, i hardly think you speak for any of them. Why don't you take it up with self identified conservatives, since most of them now support SSM as well

    Push comes to shove, this is a human rights issue, not a political one

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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    So they didn't want the 14th amendment to cover anything except former slaves/racial issues? Who said that? What lead you to believe this was the intent? What if I suggested they were wiser than this, and realized that there were other aspects of a person that might be cause for discrimination in the future that they wanted to preempt?
    The 14th does read to me like they said to hell with discrimination of all forms, and anticipated further civil rights challenges. What's amazing to me is, despite clearly being a racial issue that the 14th directly meant to address, it took 100 years for "white only" laws to end in the south.

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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    So, in the end, somebody needs a new, compelling argument as to why same-sex marriage bans should stand, if they want to keep this fight going. I'd ask the people against same-sex marriage in this thread to ponder that question: "Do I actually have an argument that I don't think has been expressly rejected several times already?" Theoretically another circuit could uphold a ban, at which point there would be a circuit split SCOTUS would be forced to settle. Unlikely.
    Pretty sure the 6th, which ended arguments 2 months ago (so they already decided), will uphold the bans before the year is over and yeah, SCOTUS will have to take it then. One of the two judges who were skeptical of a constitutional right could change his mind based on today's non-ruling, but i doubt it.

    The texas circuit i also think will force SCOTUS hands. But you're right. This has always been petty bigotry, but is exposed as such now more than ever, when the outcome is inevitable.

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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Move to Canada.
    or you could move to saudi

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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    In a word yes. Is there a compelling reason - other than the "ick" factor - not to?
    It's not necessarily an equal protection issue since there is still the option to have one spouse, and I'd think numerous laws would have to be re-written, to cope with divorce and inheritance. Still, administrative inconvenience isn't all that compelling.

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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Having already ruled the DOMA unconstitutional, this seems to me to be commendable consistency on the part of the SCOTUS.
    Good morning 2M

    That's an excellent point.
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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    If I had my way government wouldn't be involved at all.
    When I joined this site a year and a half ago, I had the position that governments today shouldn't be in the marriage business and particularly not in the marriage promotion business - there's no need for government tax allowances/incentives related to marital status - if there weren't any such allowances/incentives, there'd be no big push to expand marriage "equality".

    Since I've been here, I've noticed a shift in the way people view this and perhaps it's simply that more are voicing similar views. There will be a time, perhaps not in my lifetime, when tax and social policy will be devoid of references to "spouses" at which point all people will be treated equally.
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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    It's not necessarily an equal protection issue since there is still the option to have one spouse, and I'd think numerous laws would have to be re-written, to cope with divorce and inheritance. Still, administrative inconvenience isn't all that compelling.
    I can see where the argument has merit given that homosexuals don't have any choice. I'm not sure I agree with it - or disagree with it for that matter. Thanks for giving me something to chew on during my commute to work this morning.
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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    As opposed to LGBTs, for whom this decision directly affects? Unless you've been out and I missed the memo.
    Excuse me? Don't get defensive and/or assume something nefarious in my post. I am PRO-SSM and find this issue ridiculous in that it has NOT been decided in favor of SSM.

    It really bothers me when posters don't take the time to find out what another poster's view is on something. If you want to tell me that LGBTs don't feel as I do about the issue, then I'll listen. Otherwise please assume that my post supports the exhaustion that they are also feeling.

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