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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    no, it isn't. if you're born heterosexual, you can marry the partner of your choice. if you're born homosexual, you cannot. that is not equal protection under the law.
    That may be self-evident in the abstract but the law is not yet fully formed enough to make equal protection something real. I believe that's why the SCOTUS is content to let lower federal courts overturn state bans, but does not want to move toward a federal precedent, at least not yet. Given the rapid evolution of attitudes on this question, I think that's wise and will yield a broadly accepted fundamental change.
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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Well, ok, but the government could also build "paved driving surfaces" instead of "roads" but I don't see that as changing anything.
    You did not comprehend my point. I didn't mean government should just rename the marriage license to something else and then issue that. I'm not sure why you would assume I was talking about semantics.

    I meant what I said. Recognition of legal kinship could be done without a marriage license issued by the government. No license marriage license or anything equivalent to a marriage license needs to be issued by the government for the government to recognize legal kinship.
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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    You have a bizarre way to interpret my words.
    No interpretation required, just pointing out the flaw in your logic which was plain to see at first glance.
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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    The person who posted it (me).
    As opposed to LGBTs, for whom this decision directly affects? Unless you've been out and I missed the memo.
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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    That may be self-evident in the abstract but the law is not yet fully formed enough to make equal protection something real. I believe that's why the SCOTUS is content to let lower federal courts overturn state bans, but does not want to move toward a federal precedent, at least not yet. Given the rapid evolution of attitudes on this question, I think that's wise and will yield a broadly accepted fundamental change.
    they punted the issue, and will have to revisit it if a circuit court upholds a state ban. it's my opinion that they should have heard the case, but i've said that already.

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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    they punted the issue, and will have to revisit it if a circuit court upholds a state ban. it's my opinion that they should have heard the case, but i've said that already.
    Fair enough. I think they're exercising real leadership so there will be no SSM repeat of the Roe v Wade backlash that has bedeviled US politics for so long.
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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    And when Alabama Amended it's Constitution to read:

    That didn't ban interracial marriage in Alabama and so wasn't overturned by the Loving decision in 1967.

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    Loving prevented that law from being enforced. So long as it was implemented as written, then no it did not ban interracial marriage, it prevented the state from "authorizing or legalizing any [such] marriage". Compare to the many, many examples from other states where such marriages (and even cohabitation) were unlawful or prohibited, declared null and void, or even criminal.

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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    I can't believe you wrote something on here I actually agree with.
    Well hey, at this rate we need only wait until 2019 to once again find ourselves on common ground

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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Second, all men can marry women, all women can marry men. No one has to, many don't. That covers everyone. And third, I really don't like when people decide to use the government, unconstitutionally, to force their desires on everyone else. That has to be stopped, it undermines our society.
    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    What if a man wants to marry a man?
    Well, that doesn't quite fit in here, does it? It's a different argument. But I'm glad you brought that up, because you know what does fit? The Loving case! Fits in quite nicely. But wait, how could that possibly be? Because that is the case that the libs go running to as being the exact same argument as SSM! What is going on here?
    Those with logic and reasoning skills need not read on from here, you already know. (Sotto voce) One fits, and the other doesn't, BECAUSE THEY ARE TOTALLY DIFFERENT!
    It's just so nice when we can make such a clear cut point!
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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    incorrect. homosexual couples are being told that they can't get married in some states, which violates the equal protection clause.
    Nope, doesn't have anything to do with the equal protection clause. Not a smidgen.
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