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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Yeah, but it happens. The last year of my marriage, I can probably count how many times I had sex on one hand. (If I kept count, but it wasn't often that's for sure)

    I guess the point is that they're not watching to see if you are having sex. Except for the legal contract, what's the difference between a sexless marriage and a roommate situation?
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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    I agree that there is really no need to get rid of the marriage license, but recognition of legal kinship could be done without a marriage license issued by the government.
    Well, ok, but the government could also build "paved driving surfaces" instead of "roads" but I don't see that as changing anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Nagging, mostly.
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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Recognizing legal kinship is important for all manner of government operations, and it staggers me that people don't realize this.
    The government should not be defining marriage nor defining the sexes of the people involved in marriage. They need to focus on bigger issues and move away from this issue. Involving government and its representatives is the reason why SSM has also become a political issue, and marriage isn't political. It's a matter of picking a mate.

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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    They shouldn't have to sanction or promote any form of marriage. It ain't their job. They can't even handle the job they are supposed to do.
    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    The government should not be defining marriage nor defining the sexes of the people involved in marriage. They need to focus on bigger issues and move away from this issue. Involving government and its representatives is the reason why SSM has also become a political issue, and marriage isn't political. It's a matter of picking a mate.
    Your first statement indicated a "not have government even recognize marriage at all," notion, which is silly.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Your first statement indicated a "not have government even recognize marriage at all," notion, which is silly.
    It indicated no such thing, Deuce. That's what you read into it. I never said anything of the sort.

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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    It indicated no such thing, Deuce. That's what you read into it. I never said anything of the sort.
    When people say they don't want the government to sanction any sort of marriage, they typically mean get the government out of marriage entirely. That is the typical usage of such phraseology.

    Thank you for the clarification.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    When people say they don't want the government to sanction any sort of marriage, they typically mean get the government out of marriage entirely. That is the typical usage of such phraseology.

    Thank you for the clarification.
    The word "sanction" in my mind in this context means "giving official approval". The government has no right to give approval for 2 adults of legal age to select each other as spouses. It's offensive to me to suggest that they even have that right or anyone thinks they have that right. They don't. I didn't marry my husband because I was given approval by Uncle Sam.

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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Not exactly. The court refused to hear the case, leaving stand what the circuits have decided. The circuits, as you may recall, have consistently over-ruled the states to date, broaden SSM. Since the authority of the circuit is across state lines, the SCOTUS ruling has the effect of broadening the rulings of the circuits. In other words, since almost all circuit court verdicts have been to overturn statues on SSM, those rulings now will apply to states where the question has not yet come to court. As soon as someone in one of these states files, they will get an uncontested judgement in their favor, thus broadening SSM.

    In an odd-way, this is a major victory for the SSM movement.
    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    The Supreme Court really can't avoid this issue forever. It will come back to them if, and more likely when, a gay couple, legally married in one state moves to a state where SSM is not recognized and demands equal treatment under the law. Likewise, when a gay couple who live in a state where SSM is not recognized travels to a state that does recognize it and legally marries only to return to their home state and demand equal treatment under their home state's laws.
    Having already ruled the DOMA unconstitutional, this seems to me to be commendable consistency on the part of the SCOTUS.
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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I disagree - they can leave it to the lower courts forever and continue to refuse to take the issue up. It should be IMO a state issue not a federal issue. Government really has no business being in the middle of marriage of any sort.
    It should be no more a 'state issue' than segregated schools were a state issue. Of course that court had balls.
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