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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Thanks for the softball. First, there is no pro-discrimination side in this. Second, all men can marry women, all women can marry men. No one has to, many don't. That covers everyone. And third, I really don't like when people decide to use the government, unconstitutionally, to force their desires on everyone else. That has to be stopped, it undermines our society. If SSM happens, it needs to happen within the rules that we have set up. You can't have an entire State vote on an issue, and then when you lose, get one person to flip it. What the Hell was the vote for???

    You'd have to ask Alabama, they voted to ban interracial marriage and it was "flipped" by the federal courts when measured against the United States Constitution.

    And ya, there is a "pro-discrimination side", it those that want to exclude same-sex couple from Civil Marriage.

    BTW - It's not "one person", there is the District Judge, the Cirucuit Judges, and the Supreme Court.



    But I notice you failed to provide an answer to the direct question. Have a nice day.



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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Thanks for the softball. First, there is no pro-discrimination side in this. Second, all men can marry women, all women can marry men. No one has to, many don't. That covers everyone. And third, I really don't like when people decide to use the government, unconstitutionally, to force their desires on everyone else. That has to be stopped, it undermines our society. If SSM happens, it needs to happen within the rules that we have set up. You can't have an entire State vote on an issue, and then when you lose, get one person to flip it. What the Hell was the vote for???

    Oh, and as a little P.S. to this entire argument. The left couldn't give a rat's butt about gays and whether or not they can marry, if they could get more votes by being on the other side of the issue, they'd leave you all at the alter in a heartbeat. Don't kid yourselves.
    The problem is that not all men decide to spend their lives with a woman nor not all women with a man. Some choose to spend their lives with someone of the same gender. If the government is going to recognize for the purposes of extension of government defined benefits one type of (presumably) permanent living arrangement it must recognize all.
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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    No it goes farther than that. He said that sexual orientation isn't covered so homosexuals aren't included under the "all citizens" part, so laws such as anti-sodomy laws that targeted homosexuals should have been upheld and that conduct remained illegal.



    Of course Lawrence v. Texas and Romer v. Evans show that is incorrect.



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    You can play games with my arguments as much as you like, it's not a response to them. They are still part of "any person", however, they are not a protected class and the 14th just does not apply here.

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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    I didn't say that wasn't the intent. The 14th is a reconstruction amendment. It may have been prompted by slavery but it doesn't follow from that that it only applies to former slaves. Especially when the wording so explicitly says it applies to all people.

    Are you speaking of women in terms of voting rights? I'd suggest that if the 14th amendment applied to voting rights there'd be no need for a 15th amendment.
    No, not just voting rights. Women were still second class citizens and the 14th did nothing to change that or the unequal application of law in their regard.

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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    All I can say is...

    YEP!!!!

    TOTALLY AWESOME . . . . .

    I want SCOTUS to rule already and just make equal rights national but this is a victory in itself for equal rights. It simply shows that SCOTUS found no reason to review the cases where the lower courts ruled that denying gay marriage is unconstitutional because thats obvious and their rulings were sound.

    great day! Many bigots and haters and people against equal rights are going crazy and losing their ****, its awesome!



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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Wow, I know you know more of our history than that displays. Tell me again the intent wasn't to deal with former slaves. It certainly didn't apply to women who, last I checked were persons.
    The 14th amendment was absolutely meant to grant citizenship to slaves (not just blacks), but Section 1 was broadly drafted to limit state powers, and those limitations were not limited to race but to any attempt for the state to circumvent equal protection of the laws. It has been used to protect against laws which used literacy, age, national origin, etc. to deny equal protection of the law.

    Section 2 of the 14th amendment has your answer as far as women's suffrage.

    "But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State."

    The wording was deliberately chosen to keep women from using Section 1 to argue for the right to vote. Never before had the words "male" or "female" been used in the Constitution.

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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Gays and Lesbians are not citizens of the United States?
    Where are you getting this?

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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    And third, I really don't like when people decide to use the government, unconstitutionally, to force their desires on everyone else. That has to be stopped, it undermines our society. If SSM happens, it needs to happen within the rules that we have set up. You can't have an entire State vote on an issue, and then when you lose, get one person to flip it. What the Hell was the vote for???.
    You are literally advocating this, though, when you have people vote to force their desires onto the minority.
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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

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    Asked and answered.
    translation: asked and "dodged"
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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    You can play games with my arguments as much as you like, it's not a response to them. They are still part of "any person", however, they are not a protected class and the 14th just does not apply here.
    The 14th amendment has nothing to do with "protected class." That is the Federal Anti Discrimination law.

    No offense, but you really are not showing a particularly good comprehension of the US Constitution or federal law.

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