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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    I'm going to start sounding like a Parrot here but, the whole purpose of the 14th was that everyone would be treated equally under the law, whether that be tax law or family law, where the title of marriage does confer preferential treatment in both of those cases. That's why "states rights" doesn't come into play here, no more than with the cases during the civil rights movement.
    That was my mistake, I meant to type the 13th amendment. The 14th does not include sexual orientation. The SCOTUS and lower courts can try to shoehorn it in, but it's just another failure of oath when they do so.

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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    Loving was a case about marriage.


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    Nope, it was about INTERRACIAL marriage. Ignoring that detail isn't helping your argument.

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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    it's their job to make sure that fundamental rights are not denied in ANY state. the SCOTUS should have heard the case and thrown out the state bans. because they abdicated, now we have a hodgepodge of states in which people are denied a fundamental right.
    And there are lower courts to deal with the issue in those states. I'm sorry things are moving too slowly for you, but the Supreme Court docket is full of cases where people claim to be having their rights denied, and there is actual conflict in the lower courts requiring resolution.

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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    I see little difference in discrimination in the two cases.
    I am no Constitutional scholar, but if you see little difference, then you don't even have a basic understanding of the cases, the subjects, and the Constitution. Can't really put it any other way.
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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    And there are lower courts to deal with the issue in those states. I'm sorry things are moving too slowly for you, but the Supreme Court docket is full of cases where people claim to be having their rights denied, and there is actual conflict in the lower courts requiring resolution.
    I doubt it has anything to do with how busy the docket is. The SCOTUS has used the wait a generation or two tactic for a long time now. It's how they took their power in the first place. They simply have to wait until the majority of states have had their bans overturned and then claim it's the majority of state's will. Wait for the social engineering propaganda to sink in a little more. These folks are lifetime appointed, they can hide their crap in very long term planning.

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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    the media is definitely seeing this as a win for the gay side. Every news site I go on has the required picture of the two guys holding hands with huge smiles like they just separated the atom or something.

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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    Loving was a case about marriage.
    You fell right into that trap. Try again.
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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    That was my mistake, I meant to type the 13th amendment. The 14th does not include sexual orientation. The SCOTUS and lower courts can try to shoehorn it in, but it's just another failure of oath when they do so.
    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Nope, it was about INTERRACIAL marriage. Ignoring that detail isn't helping your argument.
    There's a difference between the letter of the law, and the spirit of the law. You are right when you argue that these cases had to do with interracial marriage, and in the case of the constitutional amendment, I very much doubt that homosexuality even crossed their mind when they were thinking of "equality". The issue here is that there was underlying message that was conveyed through these rulings. And that was the idea that it wasn't fair to treat one group of people differently than another under the laws of the land. That's where proponents of SSM (such as myself) would argue just as it wasn't right to discriminate based on race, neither is it right to discriminate on the basis on sexual orientation. If we truly believe as a nation that all men (people) are created equal, should they not ALL be treated equally under the law?

    The beauty of the Founding Fathers and the founding of this Nation, was the principles that is stood for were so grandiose, but at the time, I doubt even they could truly comprehend the meaning of those words they laid down. For instance, freedom of religion is one of the most important freedoms we have in this country. It's the very reason why many of the colonist came to the new world. However, for those men, when they thought of freedom of religion, they were thinking of freedom to worship as a Christian as they chose. I doubt very many fighting on the battles of the Revolutionary War even knew what a Muslim, a Hindu or a Buddhist even were! That hasn't stopped us today though from extending the same protections that the various Protestant sects of Christianity enjoy to those other faiths has it?

    My guiding principle in all thing politics is the immortal line from the DoI: "We hold these truths to be sacred & undeniable; that all men are created equal & independent, that from that equal creation they derive rights inherent & inalienable, among which are the preservation of life, & liberty, & the pursuit of happiness". But at the time it was written, that line couldn't have it's full meaning because of the world they lived in. It wasn't just the blacks either that weren't treated fairly, hell women had to wait another 50 or 60 years after they slaves were freed for their chance to vote! Thankfully though we don't live in those times, and we can now appreciate those words and do our best to carry out what I believe the founding father wanted all along... freedom and equal treatment for all.

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    I am no Constitutional scholar, but if you see little difference, then you don't even have a basic understanding of the cases, the subjects, and the Constitution. Can't really put it any other way.
    The above if for you as well

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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by JoeTrumps View Post
    the media is definitely seeing this as a win for the gay side. Every news site I go on has the required picture of the two guys holding hands with huge smiles like they just separated the atom or something.
    Because so far, as far as I know, all the courts are siding with them. For SCOTUS not to review the case, is a passive endorsement of the lower courts rulings on the the matter. I do think that should a couple who is recognized in one state, move to one that doesn't, that's when it will have to be seen by SCOTUS.

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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    And there are lower courts to deal with the issue in those states. I'm sorry things are moving too slowly for you, but the Supreme Court docket is full of cases where people claim to be having their rights denied, and there is actual conflict in the lower courts requiring resolution.
    marriage is a fundamental right. it's pretty important for the highest court in the land to prioritize that when a fundamental right is being denied in some states. they completely screwed up in deciding not to hear the case.

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