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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    To be clear, I meant I was glad the SCOTUS stayed out of it, as the federal appeals court should have also.
    Well then that brings us down to the federal District Courts...

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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    Actually it is on topic to the things you said. The discussion is about "federal intervention into States affairs" (your words). "Allowing a handful of judges to overrule the voices of the people of an entire State when they decide how they want to handle things in their own States" Your words. '



    The people of Alabama voted to amend their constitution and restrict marriage based on race, the federal government intervened into that States affairs. A handful og judges overruled the voices of the people of an entire state did not get to decide how to handle things in their own state when that action was measured against the Supreme Law of the Land.



    So given the same basics, non-federal intervention, States making their own law independent to "handle things" in their State - do you support or disagree with the SCOTUS ruling in Loving?
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    If you give it a try, you should be able to see why they need to intervene in one and not the other. And it is off the topic of the thread.
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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    If you give it a try, you should be able to see why they need to intervene in one and not the other. And it is off the topic of the thread.
    Not really. You can't take a hard line, "the courts need to respect the will of the people in the states" stand and then refuse to state why every precedent where the 14th amendment has been used to do just that is exempt except for in the case of same sex marriage. All you are really doing is saying you have no argument against same sex marriage, but supporting state rights sounds good, so you will pretend that is your cause.

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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    If you give it a try, you should be able to see why they need to intervene in one and not the other. And it is off the topic of the thread.

    I see little difference in discrimination in the two cases.


    I can see though why you won't give a straight answer.



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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post

    Heck, how many married couples never have sex anymore?
    The dumb ones.

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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I disagree - they can leave it to the lower courts forever and continue to refuse to take the issue up. It should be IMO a state issue not a federal issue. Government really has no business being in the middle of marriage of any sort.
    Genie is already out of the bottle though when it comes to tax laws, as well as a bunch of other marriage laws. Once the government got involved there, then it must follow the law of equal treatment shouldn't it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    If you give it a try, you should be able to see why they need to intervene in one and not the other. And it is off the topic of the thread.
    Same was above, but will repeat for emphasis, If there weren't laws and statuettes on the books giving preferential treatment to heterosexual marriage (like tax and family law), then you would have a point. By making such laws, are they not already involved in the matter? And if they are, how equal treatment not come into play?
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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    Actually it is on topic to the things you said. The discussion is about "federal intervention into States affairs" (your words). "Allowing a handful of judges to overrule the voices of the people of an entire State when they decide how they want to handle things in their own States" Your words. '
    The 14th amendment makes it a US Constitutional matter. The same is not true of marriage.

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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    The 14th amendment makes it a US Constitutional matter. The same is not true of marriage.
    I'm going to start sounding like a Parrot here but, the whole purpose of the 14th was that everyone would be treated equally under the law, whether that be tax law or family law, where the title of marriage does confer preferential treatment in both of those cases. That's why "states rights" doesn't come into play here, no more than with the cases during the civil rights movement.

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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    The 14th amendment makes it a US Constitutional matter. The same is not true of marriage.

    Loving was a case about marriage.


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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    This issue needs to be out to bed once and for all on a national level. It's exhausting.
    For whom?
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