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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    Despite the headline that isnt the case otherwise the part of DOMA that allowed states not to be able not to recognize gay marriages from other states would have struck down as well.

    Section 2 of DOMA was not a factor in the Windsor case as Windsor was only about the Federal government recognizing the legal marriage from Windsor's state of residence (New York).



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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I wouldn't say that it's a victory in an odd-way. Leaving the lower court decisions in place means almost the same as if they had decided on it (in favor of SSM). In essence, by not hearing the cases they're essentially saying that the decisions were correct.
    "the odd way" is that SSM movement wanted the SCOTUS to hear the case(s) or a case to resolve this once and for all. The SCOTUS refused to take up any of these cases, which is a rejection of both the SSM movement AND the states that were appealing lower court decisions.

    Though the action (or non-action, as the case may be) has acted to affirm lower court rulings, where such rulings exist, the SSM movement still has about 1/3 of the states where this issue is not resolved... and, is subject to the possibility that another circuit court actually rules in favor of a state, which would then mean the SCOTUS would have to take the matter up later.

    The SSM movement was hoping for national clarity on the issue. They got something far less than that. A victory, and a big victory, but their battle continues. Call it a D-Day success for the SSM movement.... its not the end of the war, just a clarity that momentum is with them.
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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So would you give up all the benefits you get from marriage? They are pretty significant.
    I didn't get married for the benefits.

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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Oh, I agree.

    My belief is that government's should be restricted by the constitution to make enabling legislation. Period.

    But the other side of the coin demands intervention, society today will simply not allow a relationship of any kind between a child and an adult, let alone marriage. If we have social welfare programs, we need guard against abuse, such as fraud in welfare and old age security.

    So, some, is necessary; in the US at least there appears to be too much and a lot of it on moral grounds. That for me is where all government's should be banned from treading; morals cannot and will not be legislated; too many politicians have far too much booze in their bellies when they vote for me to be comfortable with any morality based law.
    Marriage isn't a morality issue, to me anyway.

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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    Despite the headline that isnt the case otherwise the part of DOMA that allowed states not to be able not to recognize gay marriages from other states would have struck down as well.
    no, they pussyfooted around with the wording because there was no demonstration of individual damage. the implication was that when a case came through which demonstrated specific personal damage (i.e. financial damage, such as a partner dies and the remaining partner is out a lot of money that a similar heterosexual spouse would not have to pay,) that case would be heard, and the issue would be rectified. unfortunately, the SCOTUS punted. that really sucks.

    i suppose the circuit courts are just going to have to toss out the bans one by one.

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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I didn't get married for the benefits.
    Understood, nor am I trying to suggest you did. Sorry if that was not clear. The point was that there are a metric ****ton of benefits to marriage, and I don't think many people who are married would really like to give those benefits up. Alot of those benefits are in fact good ideas as well it should be pointed out.
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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Understood, nor am I trying to suggest you did. Sorry if that was not clear. The point was that there are a metric ****ton of benefits to marriage, and I don't think many people who are married would really like to give those benefits up. Alot of those benefits are in fact good ideas as well it should be pointed out.
    I got you, but you lost me. Who would have to give up benefits if SSM was legal in all 50 states?

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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Understood, nor am I trying to suggest you did. Sorry if that was not clear. The point was that there are a metric ****ton of benefits to marriage, and I don't think many people who are married would really like to give those benefits up. Alot of those benefits are in fact good ideas as well it should be pointed out.
    Well they're going to have to live with it then, or live without it. That's where this is headed. Why isn't it discrimination that an unmarried couple living together, or just any two folks living together don't have access to those same benefits?

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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I got you, but you lost me. Who would have to give up benefits if SSM was legal in all 50 states?
    I was referring to where you said this:

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    They shouldn't have to sanction or promote any form of marriage. It ain't their job. They can't even handle the job they are supposed to do.
    I took that to mean that the government should not sanction or promote marriage. I apologize if I misunderstood. But if I did get it right, the way the government sanctions and promotes marriage is with the benefits to marriage.
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    Re: **BREAKING** U.S. Supreme Court Refuses to Rule on Gay Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Well they're going to have to live with it then, or live without it. That's where this is headed. Why isn't it discrimination that an unmarried couple living together, or just any two folks living together don't have access to those same benefits?
    Because they can take the steps to get those benefits. They are not barred from doing that.
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