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U.S. Nurses say they are unprepared to handle Ebola patients.....

ecofarm said:
I lived there over two years, I've been there on multiple occasions for additional months. His claim is completely full of ****.

I already noted your racist crap above, so spare me.
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True. It depends on where in Africa just as it does in other countries. Some of the most educated and articulate profs I have had the pleasure to work with are from various countries in the African continent.
 
Flamethrower said:
A don't think a particle of organic matter---an Ebola virus---is going to be stopped because of a nation's health coverage. Last time I was in Belguim, I didn't remember seeing people wearing latex protection over their hands and bodies, and washing their hands everytime before touching their eyes, nose or mouth. All it would take is some Liberian boarding a plane with slight fever. Coughing on his hand and touching any part of the plane that anyone else could touch.

As the greatest industry in Liberia and Sierra Leone is crime and terror----I hardly think corrupt Leftists like Obama are going to stop travel from there.
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Anti-science, xenophobia, scapegoating: conservatives go into that mode so easily.

This time, however, the stakes are rather high and I expect science, reason and good policies win out, perhaps ultimately leading to the restoration of the funding the GOP stole form the CDC (plus the closing of two CDC research labs), and a reinvigoration of the argument for universal single payer health care.

And maybe at long last we'll raise taxes on millionaires to pay for this.
 
ecofarm said:
I lived there over two years, I've been there on multiple occasions for additional months. His claim is completely full of ****.

I already noted your racist crap above, so spare me.
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Probably in the city as well. I lived out and worked with a small village in Liberia, and I know how they lived. At the very least, you should realize how poor that country is, that is if you really have been there. But more to the point, the people are uneducated. That's why a lot of superstitions about witch doctors are still prevalent today in those areas of Sub-Saharan Africa.
 
CRUE CAB said:
Lessee, yesterday morning it was 18 persons they were worried about having contact with the patient. Then later in the day it 80, and by the time I went home. It was 100.
That is how it starts.
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Standard procedure. You'd probably complain if they weren't checking enough people.
 
CRUE CAB said:
And if they contract ebola? Is that what they signed up for?
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If they do they should be court martialed. No excuse if you have the training and right gear.
 
Hamster Buddha said:
Again, 99% of those three thousand cases are in Africa, primarily in the countries I've already listed. It's the same thing with HIV/AIDS. Yes there are cases here in the US, but the disease is contained here. However in Africa, it's one of the biggest threats to their continued existence. Hell, almost 5% of the population today either has HIV/AIDS.

As far as the nurses go, look, it's just cause this is the new flashy disease, and they've been listening to the hype and are of course scared of it. Nurses are already trained on how to take care of patients with AIDS; if you take the precautions as normal then your fine. Let me say it this way; you cannot catch Ebola simply by being in the same room as someone with it.
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This all accurate and rational.

Still, an investment in equipment and training would be reasonable under the circumstances. We might want to start by restoring the funding that the GOP cut from CDC in their shortsight fervor to curry favor with low information voters..
 
CRUE CAB said:
Correct. No clean water infrastructure, no hospital network to treat people, no clean running water, citizen ignorance to what to do. Now Uncle Sap needs to go fix it to the tune of how many millions of tax payer dollars and possible introduction of the illness to our troops.
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So if something is a threat to your country you don't try to nip it in the bud before it gets really out of hand? I'll bet you're all for taking out ISIS though.
 
Not for nothing...but for 35-55K, I'm not going NEAR an ebola patient. Period.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
True. It depends on where in Africa just as it does in other countries. Some of the most educated and articulate profs I have had the pleasure to work with are from various countries in the African continent.
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Yeah, I've had enough of the racist crap in this thread. See ya around.
 
MMC said:
Experts also say the disease would be quickly stamped out here because health authorities would trace all of a patient’s contacts and isolate any who developed symptoms.

But Mr. Duncan’s case reveals a gap in the defenses: Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital failed to diagnose the disease when he first went there last Thursday night, even though his symptoms were suggestive of Ebola and he said he had recently arrived from Liberia. He returned to the apartment where he was staying, potentially infecting those around him as well as the ambulance crew that wound up rushing him back to the same hospital on Sunday......snip~ <<<<< Same NY times link. Actually both are NY times links.....Imagine that.



I Wonder if those Ambulance guys worked later and the next day and who they all came into contact with.....huh?
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Dang! Even the thought that they went right back out to do their job and take care of other people within in hours.

We know how they took extra precaution in cleaning up at the apartment where the guy got sick. Ever use a power washer? Splashes on everything in the general area, anyone could walk in all the water draining away and these guys weren't protected. Yet the White House assured us we had nothing to worry about.

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ecofarm said:
Yeah, I've had enough of the racist crap in this thread. See ya around.
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It's racist to say that the poor areas of Sub-Saharan Africa are breeding grounds for this disease based on... well them being poor, is somehow racist?

Reach.
 
CRUE CAB said:
They need to count everyone on the planes, at the terminals, in his family and all others families that he came in contact with. Pretty much hundreds if not thousands by the time you extrapolate that out.
But hey, listen to some of the posters here. Its all ok. Nothing to worry about.
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A solution from the Saud. ;)



Saudi Arabia sought to assure the public that the kingdom was Ebola-free as an estimated 2 million Muslims streamed into a sprawling tent city near Mecca on Thursday for the start of the annual Islamic hajj pilgrimage. Ebola is believed to have sickened more than 7,100 people in West Africa and killed more than 3,300, according to the World Health Organization.

Earlier this year, Saudi authorities banned people from Sierra Leone, Liberia and Guinea — the countries hardest hit in the epidemic — from getting visas as a precaution against the Ebola virus. The decision has affected a total of 7,400 pilgrims from the three countries. "The most important precaution that (the kingdom) has taken was to restrict visas from the affected areas," she told The Associated Press.....snip~


Saudi Arabia Takes Precautions Against Ebola As Pilgrims Stream Into Mecca For Hajj
 
FaceofBachmann said:
This all accurate and rational.

Still, an investment in equipment and training would be reasonable under the circumstances. We might want to start by restoring the funding that the GOP cut from CDC in their shortsight fervor to curry favor with low information voters..
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I will say there's one thing that the CDC should of done by this point, and I think with 11 billion dollars they could of done it already, and that is make sure that healthcare professionals ALWAYS ask when a person comes in sick if they've been to Africa. The first hospital dropped the ball on that one. And really, how much money is it to send an email to regional health directors to then pass on to their hospitals to get the message. Throwing more money at the CDC wouldn't of done anything to prevent the current hysteria over Ebola. Again, this is the the 1918 flu, hell this isn't even Swine Flu.
 
CRUE CAB said:
I prefer we let the illness burn itself out right where it is, close our border and monitor those that have recently come from the source counties.
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Viruses don't burn themselves out. They may wane but not dealing with them is not the best approach. In fact we are dealing with this unprecedented outbreak because it wan't dealt with adequately the last time there was an outbreak. And furthermore your approach could actually produce a mutation that is airborne.
 
This country has become a joke. The CDC's budget for 2014 was $11,300,000,000!!!

That's $11.3 billion... and yet an Ebola infected man can fly to the United States by simply lying to airport staff. When do Americans wake up and say that we're not making progress here?
 
FaceofBachmann said:
Anti-science, xenophobia, scapegoating: conservatives go into that mode so easily.

This time, however, the stakes are rather high and I expect science, reason and good policies win out, perhaps ultimately leading to the restoration of the funding the GOP stole form the CDC (plus the closing of two CDC research labs), and a reinvigoration of the argument for universal single payer health care.

And maybe at long last we'll raise taxes on millionaires to pay for this.
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He is a Holocaust denier, it is a waste of time bring any facts to his attention.
 
Meadowlark said:
Dang! Even the thought that they went right back out to do their job and take care of other people within in hours.

We know how they took extra precaution in cleaning up at the apartment where the guy got sick. Ever use a power washer? Splashes on everything in the general area, anyone could walk in all the water draining away and these guys weren't protected. Yet the White House assured us we had nothing to worry about.

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Hey, private contractors do a great job.

Get government out of Public Health.
 
CRUE CAB said:
Taking a bullet is one thing. Suffering from an illness is another.
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Sure taking a bullet is a piece of cake. LMAO

I bet you think bullets just go in and stop like in the movies, and don't go in and bounce off bones and rip the crap out of internal organs. And that's just the ones that don't make a bigger exit hole than the entry point.
 
Hamster Buddha said:
I will say there's one thing that the CDC should of done by this point, and I think with 11 billion dollars they could of done it already, and that is make sure that healthcare professionals ALWAYS ask when a person comes in sick if they've been to Africa. The first hospital dropped the ball on that one. And really, how much money is it to send an email to regional health directors to then pass on to their hospitals to get the message. Throwing more money at the CDC wouldn't of done anything to prevent the current hysteria over Ebola. Again, this is the the 1918 flu, hell this isn't even Swine Flu.
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Yes, but all this takes training and equipment, and updating. It doesn't just happen. As to its budget, the CDC is doing other things than dealing with Ebola, so cutting its budget simply degrades its ability to handle its mandate.

Seems to me we should increase its budget, not cut it.

Further while Ebola is unlikely to become a big problem in this country, it will get here (and not just as an isolated case in Texas), and given its high mortality rate, precautions are needed - in advance. Regrettably our system has incentives that make infectious diseases easier to spread, since we have this thing -- based on years of conservative agitprop -- that going to the doctor when you're sick is a bad thing. We have incentivized NOT going to the doctor with copays and deductible. We have limited health infrastructure in poor urban centers.

All this makes it possible for Ebola to cause more harm here, than in other advanced nations. I would say we're about to have to grow up about our outdated health care systm.
 
MMC said:

I Wonder if those Ambulance guys worked later and the next day and who they all came into contact with.....huh?
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What do you reckon they don't throw their gloves out, change the bedding, or take any of the universal precautions that any hospital or ambulance does in modern civilized world?
 
CRUE CAB said:
Well then lets do nothing. We sure don't want to LOOK racist in front of the world. Or each other.
Like I said in another thread, a few million sick and dying on the streets will change our minds.
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But as long as it's the Africans that's fine right? You did say you favored letting it burn out in Africa right?

Your approach will make problems here more likely. Not less.
 
Meadowlark said:
Dang! Even the thought that they went right back out to do their job and take care of other people within in hours.

We know how they took extra precaution in cleaning up at the apartment where the guy got sick. Ever use a power washer? Splashes on everything in the general area, anyone could walk in all the water draining away and these guys weren't protected. Yet the White House assured us we had nothing to worry about.

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Do you have any idea how staggeringly unlikely it is that someone would get infected from that water?
 
Deuce said:
And yet, you used exactly the same procedures to handle the live ones.
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But more carefully. :)

We had a guy in the unit that was a real **** up. We always said if we were deployed in a war zone we'd have to take him out back and shoot him as he'd get us killed. LOL

Had miscommunication once between a tech in the cockpit and a crew member loading bdu's (bomb dummy units). The crew member didn't tell the guy in the cockpit he loaded them and the guy in the cockpit did a electrical simulation. Needless to say some bdu's got dropped on the tarmac. There are small charges that look like shotgun shells that jettison the bdu's. Must have sounded like a several shotguns firing at once. I wasn't there at the time but would have liked to have been. The crew member got the blame but I think the tech was partly to blame. The crew member got to do a lot of not so fun stuff for punishment along with daily drug tests. LOL
 
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