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U.S. Nurses say they are unprepared to handle Ebola patients.....

EnigmaO01 said:
Disease ridden children? WTF?
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Haven't you heard? Personal hygiene is not part of Mexican culture.

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Apparently it's also not part of African culture; haha, dumb racists are funny.
 
Deuce said:
Would you prefer a continued spread of the disease that further increases the risk to Americans?
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I prefer we let the illness burn itself out right where it is, close our border and monitor those that have recently come from the source counties.
 
lizzie said:
I'm just saying that nurses using universal precautions should actually be effective a preventing spread in their immediate environment. Of course, that doesn't mean that housekeeping, lab personnel, radiology, or doctors and other health care personnel won't be a potential problem, and there are (of course) nurses who don't practice universal precautions as well as they are trained to do. I treat every patient as if they are a potential source of infection, because in effect, they are. We all are.
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What do you think about these Nurses and what they are saying? Should managers of hospitals be listening? Didn't the CDC say American Hospitals are ready and able to deal with this?


A survey by National Nurses United of some 400 nurses in more than 200 hospitals in 25 states found that more than half (60 percent) said their hospital is not prepared to handle patients with Ebola, and more than 80 percent said their hospital has not communicated to them any policy regarding potential admission of patients infected by Ebola. Another 30 percent said their hospital has insufficient supplies of eye protection and fluid-resistant gowns.

"If there are protocols in place, the nurses are not hearing them and the nurses are the ones who are exposed," said RoseAnn DeMoro, executive director of National Nurses United, which serves as both a union and a professional association for U.S. nurses......snip~

U.S. nurses say they are unprepared to handle Ebola patients
 
CRUE CAB said:
And if they contract ebola? Is that what they signed up for?
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Why is that different than if they took a bullet? Yes, military people sign up to risk their lives.
 
ecofarm said:
Those boots are not infantry. They're engineers (to build field hospitals), doctors, nurses and epidemiologists. Those are military people doing what they signed up to do.
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Indeed. Obama is doing exactly the right thing. There is no way to prevent an infectious disease from moving across borders in a modern world. So we need to address the problem at its weak point, which is the various African countries where the outbreak is at its worst (in large part because of conflicts between the nations involved and groups within those nations).

Sadly because of our badly underfunded health care system and foolish reliance on outmoded for-profit insurance, we are probably very susceptible to an outbreak also.
 
You know sometimes I wonder why I am moderate to liberal instead of solidly conservative. Obviously the reason is that I don't walk around in a constant state of fear.

The following are the top 15 causes of death in the United States:

Cause of Death / Percent of Total
1. Diseases of the heart
28.5
2. Malignant tumors 22.8
3. Cerebrovascular diseases 6.7
4. Chronic lower respiratory diseases 5.1
5. Accidents (unintentional injuries) 4.4
6. Diabetes mellitus 3.0
7. Influenza and pneumonia 2.7
8. Alzheimer's disease 2.4
9. Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis 1.7
10. Septicemia (blood poisoning) 1.4
11. Suicide 1.3
12. Chronic liver disease and cirrhosis 1.1
13. Primary hypertension and hypertensive renal disease 0.8
14. Parkinson's disease (tied) 0.7
15. Homicide (tied) 0.7

Just as an FYI, the odds are millions and millions and millions to one that any of the following will be your demise: terrorism, ebola, home invasions, beheading, or wild animal attack. It is a near certainty those are not what will kill you. If you are a smoker and or overweight, and you are worried about Ebola, your personal risk calculator is way off.

Today, in the United States, you have less than a 1 in 300,000,000 chance of contracting Ebola. In contrast, if you smoke, you have about a 1 in 5 chance of getting lung cancer and dying a miserable death from it. If you are obese, you will on average die about 10 years early than someone that is fit (not to mention is greatly ups your cancer risk). Personally, with all the trail running, road biking, and wilderness backpacking trips I do, if anything kills me before my time I will probably be some kind an accident resulting from some thrill junkie stunt. Point being, I don't worry about ebola killing me, terrorism killing me, some inner city youth killing me (even though I often go on runs that take me through the inner city), or any of things that statistically have little to no chance of being my demise. Similarly, I don't count on the lottery for my retirement.

Grow a pair and quit freaking out over ebola.
 
FaceofBachmann said:
Indeed. Obama is doing exactly the right thing. There is no way to prevent an infectious disease from moving across borders in a modern world. So we need to address the problem at its weak point, which is the various African countries where the outbreak is at its worst (in large part because of conflicts between the nations involved and groups within those nations).
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I agree (except the "exactly" part), and that speech sounds an awful lot like Bush's regarding terrorism.
 
Well then lets do nothing. We sure don't want to LOOK racist in front of the world. Or each other.
Like I said in another thread, a few million sick and dying on the streets will change our minds.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
But influenze doesn't have a 50 percent fatality rate...

It reminds me of loading bombs on aircraft that weren't live and then moving on to the real thing. Somehow the real thing that could kill you was a little different.
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And yet, you used exactly the same procedures to handle the live ones.
 
There are five diseases more deadly than Ebola is the USA already! Why are you not all dead?

Five diseases far deadlier than Ebola found in the US - Telegraph

Basic hygiene is protective. Those nurses should know better AND already be trained. Gloves, face masks and simple eye protection will prevent the patient's bodily fluids contacting yours. Don't shag them and you'll be safe.
 
CRUE CAB said:
We sure don't want to LOOK racist in front of the world.
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What? Some people look very racist, right here in this thread even.
 
Hamster Buddha said:
This is all hyped up and pathetic. I'd bash fox news for over hyping it, but it's the media's job for reporting on the news and if Obama is going to make a big deal about it with a news conference then the blame stops there. Do you guys even know what Ebola is? You transmit the disease from prolonged exposure to bodily SECRETIONS, not just fluid. This isn't a case like the flu (which will kill 20,000 Americans in this country this year, as opposed to this "global epidemic" which has so far killed 936 people in total... all of which in Africa) where the disease can be carried in droplets in the air. Heck, did you know that even if you kissed a person with Ebola, you're still not going to catch it. The only reason Ebola is as scary as it is, is because it's in Africa where there is extreme poverty, poor sewage treatment (or people just poop, pee, and bathe in the same water source), and they still believe doctors look like this:

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If the disease started here in the use, you'd end up with probably ten or so cases a year and that's all. So how about we all relax and stop perpetuating the idea that this is something bigger than it will be. Hell Swine Flu was scarier than this... and killed more people (it's estimated that since 2009, over 500,000 people have died from that. For god's sake, Malaria has killed more people world wide than Ebola!
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Heya H Buddha. :2wave: That's over 3k now aaaaaaaaaaaand its still spreading.

Nurses, the frontline care providers in U.S. hospitals, say they are untrained and unprepared to handle patients arriving in their hospital emergency departments infected with Ebola.

Many say they have gone to hospital managers, seeking training on how to best care for patients and protect themselves and their families from contracting the deadly disease, which has so far killed at least 3,338 people in the deadliest outbreak on record.....snip~

U.S. nurses say they are unprepared to handle Ebola patients
 
Get government out of the Ebola threat.
 
ecofarm said:
Racist idiocy.
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As far as bathing in the same water source for drinking water, let he who has been to Africa (which I have) throw the first stone. Now granted what makes this epidemic unique is that it has moved from the rural to the urban areas, but even there, especially in countries like Liberia, their water quality isn't up to AAA standards. And they really do have fears of modern medicine that has made it very difficult to treat many diseases, not just Ebola but HIV/AIDS as well. Finally, it has nothing to do with race, but with how poor these countries area. For example, Nigeria, also has cases of Ebola, has the situation contained. However, they are also a nation that is far more wealthy than Liberia or Sierra Leone.
 
Hamster Buddha said:
As far as bathing in the same water source for drinking water, let he who has been to Africa (which I have) throw the first stone.
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I lived there over two years, I've been there on multiple occasions for additional months. His claim is completely full of ****.

I already noted your racist crap above, so spare me.
 
CRUE CAB said:
Taking a bullet is one thing. Suffering from an illness is another.
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Why? You know it's a risk when you sign up - historically in wars, disease kills more soldiers than battle.
 
CRUE CAB said:
Lessee, yesterday morning it was 18 persons they were worried about having contact with the patient. Then later in the day it 80, and by the time I went home. It was 100.
That is how it starts.
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Experts also say the disease would be quickly stamped out here because health authorities would trace all of a patient’s contacts and isolate any who developed symptoms.

But Mr. Duncan’s case reveals a gap in the defenses: Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital failed to diagnose the disease when he first went there last Thursday night, even though his symptoms were suggestive of Ebola and he said he had recently arrived from Liberia. He returned to the apartment where he was staying, potentially infecting those around him as well as the ambulance crew that wound up rushing him back to the same hospital on Sunday......snip~ <<<<< Same NY times link. Actually both are NY times links.....Imagine that.



I Wonder if those Ambulance guys worked later and the next day and who they all came into contact with.....huh?
 
MMC said:
Heya H Buddha. :2wave: That's over 3k now aaaaaaaaaaaand its still spreading.

Nurses, the frontline care providers in U.S. hospitals, say they are untrained and unprepared to handle patients arriving in their hospital emergency departments infected with Ebola.

Many say they have gone to hospital managers, seeking training on how to best care for patients and protect themselves and their families from contracting the deadly disease, which has so far killed at least 3,338 people in the deadliest outbreak on record.....snip~

U.S. nurses say they are unprepared to handle Ebola patients
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Again, 99% of those three thousand cases are in Africa, primarily in the countries I've already listed. It's the same thing with HIV/AIDS. Yes there are cases here in the US, but the disease is contained here. However in Africa, it's one of the biggest threats to their continued existence. Hell, almost 5% of the population today either has HIV/AIDS.

As far as the nurses go, look, it's just cause this is the new flashy disease, and they've been listening to the hype and are of course scared of it. Nurses are already trained on how to take care of patients with AIDS; if you take the precautions as normal then your fine. Let me say it this way; you cannot catch Ebola simply by being in the same room as someone with it.
 
FaceofBachmann said:
Because Belgium has universal health care coverage, and because they don't discourage their citizens from going to doctors (the freakish conservative "hypochondriac thesis"), and because they have invested wisely in modern infrastructure by taxing the wealthy, they have nothing to fear from a disease.

We do, however, because we did the Stupid Thing -- we followed conservative policies, cut CDC funding, cut infrastructure funding, and refused to join the modern world with universal single payer health care.
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A don't think a particle of organic matter---an Ebola virus---is going to be stopped because of a nation's health coverage. Last time I was in Belguim, I didn't remember seeing people wearing latex protection over their hands and bodies, and washing their hands everytime before touching their eyes, nose or mouth. All it would take is some Liberian boarding a plane with slight fever. Coughing on his hand and touching any part of the plane that anyone else could touch.

As the greatest industry in Liberia and Sierra Leone is crime and terror----I hardly think corrupt Leftists like Obama are going to stop travel from there.
 
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