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U.S. Nurses say they are unprepared to handle Ebola patients.....

Have you ever noticed that so many conservatives can quote Alinsky chapter and verse(but never explain what exactly is wrong with him), and most liberals are like, "yeah, I heard of that guy, from conservatives"...

Saul Alinsky was a self-proclaimed radical. He advocated guerilla tactics and civil disobedience to empower what he saw as an untapped political force in poor communities. His philosophy divided the world into “haves”—middle class and wealthy people —and “have nots”—the poor. He took an ends-justify-the-means approach to power and wealth redistribution, and developed the theoretical basis of “community organizing" currently in use by the Progressive Left.

He was a driving force in the progressive movement and has influenced the actions and thought process of both the President and Hillary.

The letters between Clinton and Alinsky can be read here: The Hillary Letters | Washington Free Beacon



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Saul Alinsky was a self-proclaimed radical. He advocated guerilla tactics and civil disobedience to empower what he saw as an untapped political force in poor communities. His philosophy divided the world into “haves”—middle class and wealthy people —and “have nots”—the poor. He took an ends-justify-the-means approach to power and wealth redistribution, and developed the theoretical basis of “community organizing" currently in use by the Progressive Left.

He was a driving force in the progressive movement and has influenced the actions and thought process of both the President and Hillary.

The letters between Clinton and Alinsky can be read here: The Hillary Letters | Washington Free Beacon



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So why is it you can quote him chapter and verse, and most liberals only have heard of him because of guys like you quoting him? And what exactly is wrong with defining rules for promoting your cause?
 
Example???

You haven't been here long, have you?

Your right. I haven't been here long.

Does that mean I can't call you out to defend your claims? :roll:
 
So why is it you can quote him chapter and verse, and most liberals only have heard of him because of guys like you quoting him?

Well, since you asked... That's because most liberals get their news from sound bites, MSNBC, and comedy shows. They are, for the most part, low information voters (present company excluded).

A large percentage can't find Washington D.C. on a map, have no idea who Biden is when shown his picture, and they vote the way their "community organizers" tell them to vote.

Most low information voters don't realize they are being methodically played by the political elites (Left & Right). The political elites are the ones that have read and studied Alinsky's playbook. While somewhat dated by the times, it's simplicity makes it timeless. That's why it's still in use behind closed doors by the political strategist commissioned by the elite progressive ruling class.


And what exactly is wrong with defining rules for promoting your cause?

Nothing, if they are ethical. But, by his own definition, Alinsky subscribes to the ends-justify-the-means approach to power and wealth redistribution. Or a win buy any means available actions.

Did I say there was something wrong?

I just feel that it's important to understand the motivation behind a well developed propaganda strategy.
 
Well, since you asked... That's because most liberals get their news from sound bites, MSNBC, and comedy shows. They are, for the most part, low information voters (present company excluded).

A large percentage can't find Washington D.C. on a map, have no idea who Biden is when shown his picture, and they vote the way their "community organizers" tell them to vote.

Most low information voters don't realize they are being methodically played by the political elites (Left & Right). The political elites are the ones that have read and studied Alinsky's playbook. While somewhat dated by the times, it's simplicity makes it timeless. That's why it's still in use behind closed doors by the political strategist commissioned by the elite progressive ruling class.

Right...

Can you document any of this crap? Or can I claim with equal veracity and plausibility that most conservatives get their news from sound bites, FOX news pundit shows, Limbaugh and nutjob blogs? They are, for the most part, low information voters(present company included of course).

Most low information voters don't realize they are being methodically played by the wealthy elite(left and right).

See what I did there?

Nothing, if they are ethical. But, by his own definition, Alinsky subscribes to the ends-justify-the-means approach to power and wealth redistribution. Or a win buy any means available actions.

Did I say there was something wrong?

I just feel that it's important to understand the motivation behind a well developed propaganda strategy.

Wait, so they are nothing wrong with them, but you use them to try and demonize those you disagree with. Now that is very strange....
 
Who the **** do you think you are? Why am I obligated to explain myself to you?

I don't think you know what any of these labels you use actually mean.
You do not need to do anything more than you have already done. It is clear that you fall on the authoritarian side of the equation. For me that is sufficient. The readers can draw their own conclusion as to your tactics.

The labels are nothing more than shorthand for a basket of tactics authoritarians use for seizing and abusing power against the individual and in favor of themselves and the state. What else do you need to know?
 
Right...

Can you document any of this crap?

Of course I can. :wink2:

"By contrast, 67 percent of participants who said they voted for Barack Obama said Fox News was their least trusted outlet — and more Mr. Obama voters picked Comedy Central as their most trusted outlet..."
Liberals trust Comedy Central more than Fox, new poll finds - Washington Times



Here is an all time classic from 2008...




Be sure to check out some of these as well... [If this wasn't so serious, this would be hilarious.]
low information voters - YouTube
Unintentionally Funny Video: Zero Information Voters - YouTube
Low Information Voters - YouTube
Low Information Voter does not know anything - YouTube


Remember, these people VOTE!




Most low information voters don't realize they are being methodically played by the wealthy elite(left and right).

See what I did there?

And that, my friend, is the bitch of it. Your statement is TRUE!
Thank You! You just made my point for me.



Or can I claim with equal veracity and plausibility that most conservatives get their news from sound bites, FOX news pundit shows, Limbaugh and nutjob blogs? They are, for the most part, low information voters(present company included of course).

Sure you can. In fact, isn't that the mantra spread by the Left on a daily basis. Why YES, it is!
I intentionally used the inverse to trigger your typical liberal response.


See what I did there? :lamo





Wait, so they are nothing wrong with them, but you use them to try and demonize those you disagree with. Now that is very strange....

I'm confused. Who are you referring to when you say "nothing wrong with them"? Who is "them"?


If, by "them", you are referring to the political strategist commissioned by the elite progressive ruling class, than please note that I said there is nothing wrong "if they are ethical. But, by his own definition, Alinsky subscribes to the ends-justify-the-means approach to power and wealth redistribution. Or a win buy any means available." [For low information voters --- that means they are willing to preform unethical actions to win.]


Think ACORN and then get back to me.
 
Racism and authoritarian leftists

"An easy and effective way to identify the racists among us is to watch for the injection of race into every discussion. The racists cannot help themselves.

What is predictable is your racism. Let me guess...you are a liberal, socialist, fascist, Marxist, Progressive statist. And you might be 1/6th black like the president.

People are complex. NW injects race into things that have nothing to do with race. That is what racists do.

So is NW and authoritarian leftist on the spectrum I listed above or does skin color trump everything for NW?

I will also guess that you are an authoritarian leftist. Is that a bad guess as well?"
The only people that believe that liberals are racist are uberconservatives who put everything "bad" as liberal. We all know that's you because labeling everyone is what you do.
An easy and effective way to identify the racists among us is to watch for the injection of race into every discussion. The racists cannot help themselves.​

Where did you see liberal in there?

People are complex. NW injects race into things that have nothing to do with race. That is what racists do.​

Did you see liberal in there?

I am less authoritarian than you are.
Cool. How do you know? I support individual liberty and freedom as the highest good that a state must protect. Do you? Or do you believe as all leftists believe that we are subordinate to the needs of groups and the state?

Contrary to popular belief, Conservatives are just as authoritarian as Liberals. Since you are of the former camp and I am neither, you are more of an authoritarian statist than I. For example, I do not believe in government regulation of sexuality.
You delude yourself. Not proclaiming yourself to be an authoritarian leftist does not confer immunity.

If there is such a thing as government regulation of sexuality, whatever that means, it would be either a local power or would belong to the people.
 
Remember, these people VOTE!

So did this lady, but I assume not for Obama:



There's plenty of dumbasses either way. The left doesn't have a monopoly on dumb people or bad ethics.
 
Re: Racism and authoritarian leftists

"An easy and effective way to identify the racists among us is to watch for the injection of race into every discussion. The racists cannot help themselves.

What is predictable is your racism. Let me guess...you are a liberal, socialist, fascist, Marxist, Progressive statist. And you might be 1/6th black like the president.

People are complex. NW injects race into things that have nothing to do with race. That is what racists do.

So is NW and authoritarian leftist on the spectrum I listed above or does skin color trump everything for NW?

I will also guess that you are an authoritarian leftist. Is that a bad guess as well?"

An easy and effective way to identify the racists among us is to watch for the injection of race into every discussion. The racists cannot help themselves.​

Where did you see liberal in there?

People are complex. NW injects race into things that have nothing to do with race. That is what racists do.​

Did you see liberal in there?


Cool. How do you know? I support individual liberty and freedom as the highest good that a state must protect. Do you? Or do you believe as all leftists believe that we are subordinate to the needs of groups and the state?


You delude yourself. Not proclaiming yourself to be an authoritarian leftist does not confer immunity.

If there is such a thing as government regulation of sexuality, whatever that means, it would be either a local power or would belong to the people.

The bolded phrase is where you fail. You don't want to debate a person, you want to shout at people and label them. Then you get mad when someone does it to you.

Nope, I want you to answer for the authoritarian tendencies on the right if I have to answer for them on the left. If you decide that you'd rather talk to a person than a label, let me know. If you just want to shout labels at people, I'm done with you.
 
So did this lady, but I assume not for Obama:



There's plenty of dumbasses either way. The left doesn't have a monopoly on dumb people or bad ethics.


Agreed.
 
Of course I can. :wink2:

"By contrast, 67 percent of participants who said they voted for Barack Obama said Fox News was their least trusted outlet — and more Mr. Obama voters picked Comedy Central as their most trusted outlet..."
Liberals trust Comedy Central more than Fox, new poll finds - Washington Times



Here is an all time classic from 2008...


Be sure to check out some of these as well... [If this wasn't so serious, this would be hilarious.]
low information voters - YouTube
Unintentionally Funny Video: Zero Information Voters - YouTube
Low Information Voters - YouTube
Low Information Voter does not know anything - YouTube


Remember, these people VOTE!

Advice for you: always follow click throughs at your sources. It turns out that Obama voters most trusted news source is PBS. In fact Comedy Central is tied for next to last as Obama voters most trusted news source(ie it is one of their least trusted), ahead of only FOX news, and by only 2 %: http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/PPP_Release_National_206.pdf. Note that that link is from your source. Like I said, it pays to actually read the source documents, instead of what some one tells you it says. That is a key to being informed instead of misinformed.

Also note that the irony of talking about low information voters and using youtube videos is pretty high. It is not hard to find some one saying something stupid, and by taking out all the sensible people, they can create a very false impression.


And that, my friend, is the bitch of it. Your statement is TRUE!
Thank You! You just made my point for me.

No I did not make your point, I was being sarcastic by slightly changing your words.


Sure you can. In fact, isn't that the mantra spread by the Left on a daily basis. Why YES, it is!
I intentionally used the inverse to trigger your typical liberal response.

Well, no, actually you are just making **** up. You are using the "well, some one said it, so clearly "the Left"(sic) says it" claim, which is just stupid.

See what I did there? :lamo

I see what you think you did, but mostly you just showed my point going over your head. Hint: I was being facetious.


I'm confused. Who are you referring to when you say "nothing wrong with them"? Who is "them"?

"Them" would be what we are talking about, the "rules for radicals".


If, by "them", you are referring to the political strategist commissioned by the elite progressive ruling class, than please note that I said there is nothing wrong "if they are ethical. But, by his own definition, Alinsky subscribes to the ends-justify-the-means approach to power and wealth redistribution. Or a win buy any means available." [For low information voters --- that means they are willing to preform unethical actions to win.]


Think ACORN and then get back to me.

Could you get a few more mindless cliches in there?
 
Re: Racism and authoritarian leftists

"Cool. How do you know? I support individual liberty and freedom as the highest good that a state must protect. Do you? Or do you believe as all leftists believe that we are subordinate to the needs of groups and the state?"
The bolded phrase is where you fail. You don't want to debate a person, you want to shout at people and label them. Then you get mad when someone does it to you.
Why do you believe I am shouting? Did you see CAPS LOCKED somewhere?
Why do you believe I am "mad"? Projection perhaps?

Nope, I want you to answer for the authoritarian tendencies on the right if I have to answer for them on the left. If you decide that you'd rather talk to a person than a label, let me know. If you just want to shout labels at people, I'm done with you.[/QUOTE]

Was that question too difficult for you? Fine. Bye.
 
Naturally the CDC and the Fed doesn't want to start a wide spread panic......but then I wonder if they had thought about the MS media. What do you think about this info and what Nurses are saying? I think they are on the money and people cannot take this matter lightly. What say ye?


CHICAGO (Reuters) - Nurses, the frontline care providers in U.S. hospitals, say they are untrained and unprepared to handle patients arriving in their hospital emergency departments infected with Ebola. Many say they have gone to hospital managers, seeking training on how to best care for patients and protect themselves and their families from contracting the deadly disease, which has so far killed at least 3,338 people in the deadliest outbreak on record. The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has repeatedly said that U.S. hospitals are prepared to handle such patients. Many infectious disease experts agree with that assessment.

"The Texas case is a perfect example," said Micker Samios, a triage nurse in the emergency department at Medstar Washington Hospital Center, the largest hospital in the nation's capital. "In addition to not being prepared, there was a flaw in diagnostics as well as communication," Samios said. Nurses argue that inadequate preparation could increase the chances of spreading Ebola if hospital staff fail to recognize a patient coming through their doors, or if personnel are not informed about how to properly protect themselves. "When an Ebola patient is admitted or goes to the intensive care unit, those nurses, those tech service associates are not trained," she said. "The X-ray tech who comes into the room to do the portable chest X-ray is not trained. The transporter who pushes the stretcher is not trained." If an Ebola patient becomes sick while being transported, "How do you clean the elevator?" A survey by National Nurses United of some 400 nurses in more than 200 hospitals in 25 states found that more than half (60 percent) said their hospital is not prepared to handle patients with Ebola, and more than 80 percent said their hospital has not communicated to them any policy regarding potential admission of patients infected by Ebola. Another 30 percent said their hospital has insufficient supplies of eye protection and fluid-resistant gowns.....snip~

U.S. nurses say they are unprepared to handle Ebola patients

I am a nurse and I'm a bit confused by this. It's pretty clear what sort of personal protective gear you would need to deal with an ebola patient, and that would be less sophisticated than what you use with a tuberculosis patient. It's not airborne. I would want to keep my face covered with a splatter shield and wear gloves. Sure it's a scary disease, but every nurse following protocol should be fine.
 
Re: Racism and authoritarian leftists

"Cool. How do you know? I support individual liberty and freedom as the highest good that a state must protect. Do you? Or do you believe as all leftists believe that we are subordinate to the needs of groups and the state?"

Why do you believe I am shouting? Did you see CAPS LOCKED somewhere?
Why do you believe I am "mad"? Projection perhaps?

Nope, I want you to answer for the authoritarian tendencies on the right if I have to answer for them on the left. If you decide that you'd rather talk to a person than a label, let me know. If you just want to shout labels at people, I'm done with you.

Was that question too difficult for you? Fine. Bye.[/QUOTE]

Apparently it was mine that was too difficult for you. Probably because you can't just throw catchphrases at it.

When you answer for the totalitarians on the right, I will attempt an answer. Until then, toodle loo.
 
Re: Racism and authoritarian leftists

"I support individual liberty and freedom as the highest good that a state must protect. Do you? Or do you believe as all leftists believe that we are subordinate to the needs of groups and the state?"

"Was that question too difficult for you? Fine. Bye."

Apparently it was mine that was too difficult for you. Probably because you can't just throw catchphrases at it.

When you answer for the totalitarians on the right, I will attempt an answer. Until then, toodle loo.
I understand your reluctance to answer my reasonable question. I gave you my answer before I asked you what your belief is.

I even agreed that we were done. And yet there you were. Awesome.
 
You have ODS. Get help immediately!
Don't worry, that's covered under Obamacare now thanks to the pre-existing conditions clause.
 
Have you ever noticed that so many conservatives can quote Alinsky chapter and verse(but never explain what exactly is wrong with him), and most liberals are like, "yeah, I heard of that guy, from conservatives"...

Not gonna lie, I actually don't know who that is. Conservatives mention him often, I've literally never heard anyone else mention him.
 
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