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    Re: Jobless Rate in US Falls to 5.9% in September, Payrolls Jump

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    figured you were not up to comprehending the point i was making
    here's a clue. i am typing it slowly, so keep up:
    many who benefit from government assistance do so thru no fault of their own. they may be too young, too feeble, too sick, too mentally challenged, too whatever to pay their own way. yet you ignore them and their plight when you fashion the most simplistic solution to allow them to feed/clothe/house themselves ... by building a new stretch of I-85 between spartanburg and greenville. as if that would be something the very young, the very old, and the very infirm would be able to do. your "solution" could only be found workable by simple minds
    In all fairness, I don't think that anyone, of any political leaning or any party affiliation, objects to providing benefits and income to the profoundly handicapped. Of course there might be a few exceptions, but I ignore those people as they are basically wackos.

    My perception of human nature is that most people are capable of doing valuable work, even most people on welfare, and we should focus on having enough jobs which pay well enough for them to survive, rather than focusing on handouts for the capable.

    It would be interesting to poll welfare slackers, asking them if they would prefer a job making a decent income over continuing to get free money from the government. I bet that most of them would take the job.
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    Re: Jobless Rate in US Falls to 5.9% in September, Payrolls Jump

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    And you use a narrow example,
    i used the road building example you offered
    now it seems you finally agree it was a stupid suggestion

    ... and extremes of the system to give all of the others in the majority a pass for grafting every single one of us....And all to lock them into the plantation of poverty for their vote...You should be ashamed...
    ashamed for not wanting to eliminate government assistance for those who need it thru no fault of their own. never
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    Re: Jobless Rate in US Falls to 5.9% in September, Payrolls Jump

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    i used the road building example you offered
    now it seems you finally agree it was a stupid suggestion
    Road building was but one thing able bodied people collecting welfare could do to earn their benefits, but you know that. Instead you have to use the extreme to make a point as if that was the ONLY thing people could do, or as if that wouldn't include working hand in hand with training programs to train people up to self sustaining jobs that they could take.

    ashamed for not wanting to eliminate government assistance for those who need it thru no fault of their own. never
    Who said anything about eliminating anything for those who need it through no fault of their own? Not me. I said transform it into a work for benefit program.

    The problem with you liberal progressives is that you only see the extremes. You should work on that.
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    Re: Jobless Rate in US Falls to 5.9% in September, Payrolls Jump

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Road building was but one thing able bodied people collecting welfare could do to earn their benefits
    I don't mean to interject myself, but I believe justabubba's point was that so many who are on government assistance are NOT able bodied.

    "many who benefit from government assistance do so thru no fault of their own. they may be too young, too feeble, too sick, too mentally challenged, too whatever to pay their own way."

    I think he's trying to say that providing jobs to able bodied people to make them work for their benefits (an idea I've always liked too) is impractical for so many on government assistance because the reason they are on government assistance is because they are not able bodied.


    Justabubba can correct me if I misunderstood him, but that's the way I took what he was saying. Thought it might clear up some confusion.

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    Re: Jobless Rate in US Falls to 5.9% in September, Payrolls Jump

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Of course, California also leads the country in millionaires.

    Which States Have the Most Millionaires?*|*Reboot Illinois

    Given that fact, perhaps I can interpret your post as a concern about income inequality?
    Gosh, that's odd. The highest income inequality in the deepest blue state?

    Huh. That's odd. The left tells us their policy approach reduces income inequality...

    Well, surely other deep-blue areas like New York and Seattle don't have high income inequality. California must be a random outlier. Hasn't income inequality been sharply reduced since Obama took over?

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    Re: Jobless Rate in US Falls to 5.9% in September, Payrolls Jump

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    I don't mean to interject myself, but I believe justabubba's point was that so many who are on government assistance are NOT able bodied.

    "many who benefit from government assistance do so thru no fault of their own. they may be too young, too feeble, too sick, too mentally challenged, too whatever to pay their own way."

    I think he's trying to say that providing jobs to able bodied people to make them work for their benefits (an idea I've always liked too) is impractical for so many on government assistance because the reason they are on government assistance is because they are not able bodied.


    Justabubba can correct me if I misunderstood him, but that's the way I took what he was saying. Thought it might clear up some confusion.
    That's fine Sly, and I'd agree if it were put that way...But it wasn't...Bubba just wanted to come in and **** all over the discussion where myself and some more liberal than I members might show some kind of agreement, and parade his usual arrogant crap instead of being civil to someone that disagrees with him.

    There are quite a lot of people I could imagine that would not qualify to work for their benefits, and shouldn't. This could be determined by medical, or psychological doc's...But, we now have some 47 million people + on some kind of subsidy from the taxpayer, surely you don't believe that they are ALL unqualified to earn their benefit do you?
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    Re: Jobless Rate in US Falls to 5.9% in September, Payrolls Jump

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    That's fine Sly, and I'd agree if it were put that way...But it wasn't...Bubba just wanted to come in and **** all over the discussion where myself and some more liberal than I members might show some kind of agreement, and parade his usual arrogant crap instead of being civil to someone that disagrees with him.
    Umm...I think he said the same thing multiple times. Maybe it wasn't in the nicest way possible, but his point (that there are people who are not able to work for government assistance) was the same in every post.

    There are quite a lot of people I could imagine that would not qualify to work for their benefits, and shouldn't. This could be determined by medical, or psychological doc's...But, we now have some 47 million people + on some kind of subsidy from the taxpayer, surely you don't believe that they are ALL unqualified to earn their benefit do you?
    No, obviously not. And I don't think he would either. But his point, I believe, is that a large percentage of them simply cannot work, which is why they are on assistance in the first place.

    Also I wish to point out that not everyone on government assistance doesn't work. Just as an example:

    The number of SNAP households that have earnings while participating in SNAP has more than tripled — from about 2 million in 2000 to about 6.9 million in 2012.

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    Most SNAP recipients who can work do so. Among SNAP households with at least one working-age, non-disabled adult, more than half work while receiving SNAP — and more than 80 percent work in the year prior to or the year after receiving SNAP. The rates are even higher for families with children. (About two-thirds of SNAP recipients are not expected to work, primarily because they are children, elderly, or disabled.)
    Policy Basics: Introduction to the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) — Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

    So it's really not as insulting to working people as some make it sound. Obviously those of us who work do not want to pay for those who can work but choose not to, but it really doesn't happen as often as one might think.

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    Re: Jobless Rate in US Falls to 5.9% in September, Payrolls Jump

    Well, we just see things differently. And that’s not a bad thing, it just is.
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    Re: Jobless Rate in US Falls to 5.9% in September, Payrolls Jump

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
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    Obviously those of us who work do not want to pay for those who can work but choose not to, but it really doesn't happen as often as one might think.
    A while back someone posted some figures on the 47%, the number who work, the number that are retired, the number that are disabled, etc. I did some quick napkin math and found that maybe something like 2.5% of our population are close to the "welfare queen" scenario. That's not a lot, but it's still too much.

    Most people on welfare do work, they just don't get paid much money. I consider those workers to be bargains for employers and consumers, they are generally producing way more than they get paid for, and to me that's a significant contribution to society as it allows employers to have higher profits and it allows consumers to be able to purchase goods and services very inexpensively.
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    Re: Jobless Rate in US Falls to 5.9% in September, Payrolls Jump

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    this is not how demand works


    you mistake it for supply side economics


    Perhaps you could supply a definition for demand.

    I'll get you started:



    DEFINITION OF 'DEMAND'
    An economic principle that describes a consumer's desire and willingness to pay a price for a specific good or service. Holding all other factors constant, the price of a good or service increases as its demand increases and vice versa.


    Demand Definition | Investopedia

    INVESTOPEDIA EXPLAINS 'DEMAND'
    Think of demand as your willingness to go out and buy a certain product. For example, market demand is the total of what everybody in the market wants.

    Businesses often spend a considerable amount of money in order to determine the amount of demand that the public has for its products and services. Incorrect estimations will either result in money left on the table if it's underestimated or losses if it's overestimated.
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