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    Re: Jobless Rate in US Falls to 5.9% in September, Payrolls Jump

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    As our population grows, it's perfectly natural that fewer people are in the workforce.

    Let's say that this year one family exists, and there are two parents who both work and a 17 year old high school student who doesn't work and 83 year old granny. Thats a total of 2 people not in the labor force.

    Next year two families exists, and there are now four parents who work, two teenagers who don't, and two elderly people - so that's now 4 people not in the workforce.

    Any surprises?
    There is one surprise...And that is why not audit the BLS and its parent the Dept. of Labor and structure this wacky system to come up with more precise numbers on this crap...Hey, I got an idea, remove the BLS from the Dept of Labor...
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    Re: Jobless Rate in US Falls to 5.9% in September, Payrolls Jump

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    This is your exact quote:

    "There were more babies born in 1946 than in any other year up until that time "
    Exactly. "up until that time"

    that doesn't mean there weren't more born in later years, there obviously were.
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    Re: Jobless Rate in US Falls to 5.9% in September, Payrolls Jump

    Quote Originally Posted by pinqy View Post
    BLS doesn't call individuals, they call employers. That's for the Current Employment Statistics Survey (CES) Yes, we were all talking about the CPS, which is collected by Census. but he could easily be in the CES if he pays UI taxes.

    There are some things off....who did she say she worked for? What time period was she asking for? What a about the other questions?
    thanks for attempting to clear that up, but I think your explanation left some of us just as confused.

    You are apparently correct that it is the census people who collect the data for the unemployment rates that we were discussing, and you are also correct that it is the BLS which performs a survey of employers.

    Regardless, it is the responses from individuals in the survey (not employers), that determines the unemployment rate, and apparently the BLS puts the numbers together from census polls.

    How the Government Measures Unemployment
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    Re: Jobless Rate in US Falls to 5.9% in September, Payrolls Jump

    Quote Originally Posted by pinqy View Post
    BLS doesn't call individuals, they call employers. That's for the Current Employment Statistics Survey (CES) Yes, we were all talking about the CPS, which is collected by Census. but he could easily be in the CES if he pays UI taxes.

    There are some things off....who did she say she worked for? What time period was she asking for? What a about the other questions?
    She works for the Dept of Labor. She always asks for the number of employees working in the week that includes the 12th. Normally she asks how many hours they worked and how much they are paid, but not this time since there was no employee.

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    Re: Jobless Rate in US Falls to 5.9% in September, Payrolls Jump

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    There is one surprise...And that is why not audit the BLS and its parent the Dept. of Labor and structure this wacky system to come up with more precise numbers on this crap...Hey, I got an idea, remove the BLS from the Dept of Labor...
    It is audited.

    Anyhow, there are several private sector companies that also do their own unemployment estimates, and while they never match month for month the bls numbers as far as job gains and losses, the general trends and the estimates of the unemployment rate to confirm the government figures over time.

    Even shadow stats trusts the government numbers enough to base their estimates on the government numbers - they just add a particular number of unemployed to the government figures.
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    Re: Jobless Rate in US Falls to 5.9% in September, Payrolls Jump

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    It is audited.

    Anyhow, there are several private sector companies that also do their own unemployment estimates, and while they never match month for month the bls numbers as far as job gains and losses, the general trends and the estimates of the unemployment rate to confirm the government figures over time.

    Even shadow stats trusts the government numbers enough to base their estimates on the government numbers - they just add a particular number of unemployed to the government figures.
    Well, like I said, I'm just looking around Scott, and not seeing any great surge in peoples standard of living...I still see the same businesses closed, the same strip malls shuttered, and I see a lot of people that are unemployed looking not toward optimism in finding a job, but rather looking in how to collect more in benefits.

    When the reports come out that show that half of America is not on welfare, I'll get more optimistic.
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    Re: Jobless Rate in US Falls to 5.9% in September, Payrolls Jump

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    You can look it up on the BLS website.

    How the Government Measures Unemployment

    Not everything you hear at the tea party rallies or at the barber shop is true. Sometimes you need to verify your information prior to posting inaccurate data. DP is a little tougher than convincing your facebook friends of your lies.
    The woman that calls me every month identifies herself as Lorna with the Dept of Labor. Nothing else.

    You certainly seem to assume a lot of things about me. I suppose that attacking the messenger is accepted behavior in your circle.

    I am not saying that the way they survey me is the only way that data is collected, because I don't work for them anymore than you do. I am reporting my conversation this month with the Dept of Labor.

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    Re: Jobless Rate in US Falls to 5.9% in September, Payrolls Jump

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well, like I said, I'm just looking around Scott, and not seeing any great surge in peoples standard of living...I still see the same businesses closed, the same strip malls shuttered, and I see a lot of people that are unemployed looking not toward optimism in finding a job, but rather looking in how to collect more in benefits.

    When the reports come out that show that half of America is not on welfare, I'll get more optimistic.
    Absolutely.

    We need tax cuts on the middle class, we need to eliminate means tested welfare and spend that money creating infrastructure so that our businesses can once again thrive. I never understood why we prefer to give money to poor people rather than to spend that money on productive jobs.

    Have ya noticed how our roads in SC have gone to hell during the past five or ten years? There are a couple of stretches of I-85 between Spbg and Anderson that look like bomb crater war zones. Then when the people started making an issue of it, Nikki says "I found the problem, we weren't spending the federal funding allocation for our roads." She was either hording that money, or she was asleep at the wheel.
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    Re: Jobless Rate in US Falls to 5.9% in September, Payrolls Jump

    Quote Originally Posted by cholla View Post
    The woman that calls me every month identifies herself as Lorna with the Dept of Labor. Nothing else.

    You certainly seem to assume a lot of things about me. I suppose that attacking the messenger is accepted behavior in your circle.

    I am not saying that the way they survey me is the only way that data is collected, because I don't work for them anymore than you do. I am reporting my conversation this month with the Dept of Labor.
    that's odd, really odd. And sorry, I didn't realize that this was someone actually calling you, I assumed that this was a story that you were just repeating third hand.

    Seriously, you should start recording these calls, and if you can find enough discrepancies, go to the media. If they are distorting numbers like this, the world needs to know.
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    Re: Jobless Rate in US Falls to 5.9% in September, Payrolls Jump

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    Absolutely.

    We need tax cuts on the middle class, we need to eliminate means tested welfare and spend that money creating infrastructure so that our businesses can once again thrive. I never understood why we prefer to give money to poor people rather than to spend that money on productive jobs.

    Have ya noticed how our roads in SC have gone to hell during the past five or ten years? There are a couple of stretches of I-85 between Spbg and Anderson that look like bomb crater war zones. Then when the people started making an issue of it, Nikki says "I found the problem, we weren't spending the federal funding allocation for our roads." She was either hording that money, or she was asleep at the wheel.
    Yes, and in cases like that Haley should be held accountable...Driving my truck down 85 south I have to stay in Lane 2 because the right lane just hammers the truck. But, you'll also notice that the geniuses in the State house, don't want that accountability, rather they want to try and get that one cent tax passed for the roads, until they get it and don't spend that on them either...Ugh....It just pisses me off.
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