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Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

Kind of ruins the myth that Obama couldn't convince the Iraqi government to leave some residual troops in place to guide the Iraqi's

The thing so frustrating about this idiotic Obama narrative is that sources like the NYT posted essentially what Panetta said in their own postmortems in 2012... but back then they didn't know that they would need to kill that story.

Today we have people clearly displaying their ignorant sycophancy in buying the new White House narrative without question.

Panetta is correct, and his version of the story coincides with the news at the time.
 
So you would prefer what's going on there now?

The thing is there were not 150,000 troops in Iraq when the present troubles began. There were none. The CIA Director at the time, Robert Gates, expected something over 70,000 to remain in order to maintain stability.
The iraqi's should handle their own problems.

These lazy ****ers can't get Their **** together after 10 years of US coddling. Why should our citizens die for people who won't fight for themselves?

If it's that big of a deal then you go fight. Send your sons and daughters to fight.
 
The iraqi's should handle their own problems.

These lazy ****ers can't get Their **** together after 10 years of US coddling. Why should our citizens die for people who won't fight for themselves?

If it's that big of a deal then you go fight. Send your sons and daughters to fight.

It's not too often we see people actually supporting genocide and it's quite an experience. It demonstrates again that Nazism can occur among any people, no matter how well educated or sophisticated they presume themselves to be.
 
It's not too often we see people actually supporting genocide and it's quite an experience. It demonstrates again that Nazism can occur among any people, no matter how well educated or sophisticated they presume themselves to be.

Supporting Maliki was supporting genocide. Isn't that what you wanted Obama to do? Keep that Iranian operative in power? That's exactly what our troops were doing before they left. Are you calling American troops Nazi's?

Sources of the International Court of Justice, that there are three lawsuits Maliki condemns genocide, crimes against humanity, targeting civilians in Iraq, being responsible for all the top positions of the armed forces in the country.

Iraqi lawyers said: “The three cases are now in the Court of Justice against Maliki involving crimes against humanity, genocide in addition to the claims brought against him in front of the Iraqi judiciary

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Iraqi Blowback: Three lawsuits Against Ex P.M. al-Maliki In The International Court Of Justice. | Political Vel Craft
 
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It's not too often we see people actually supporting genocide and it's quite an experience. It demonstrates again that Nazism can occur among any people, no matter how well educated or sophisticated they presume themselves to be.

Grant, that was so well put. Sadly people supporting genocide happens more often than you think

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The United States almost certainly knew from its own satellite imagery that Saddam was using chemical weapons against Iranian troops. When Saddam bombed Kurdish rebels and civilians with a lethal cocktail of mustard gas, sarin, tabun and VX in 1988, the Reagan administration first blamed Iran, before acknowledging, under pressure from congressional Democrats, that the culprits were Saddam's own forces
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http://www.globalpolicy.org/component/content/article/167-general/34978.html

and grant, gassing the kurds was real genocide so that’s actual support for real genocide. I’m not really seeing "people supporting genocide" because we don’t really like the idea of propping up maliki in iraq.
 
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The thing so frustrating about this idiotic Obama narrative is that sources like the NYT posted essentially what Panetta said in their own postmortems in 2012... but back then they didn't know that they would need to kill that story.

Today we have people clearly displaying their ignorant sycophancy in buying the new White House narrative without question.

Panetta is correct, and his version of the story coincides with the news at the time.



It also coincides with other reports, that Obama missed many of the briefings and wasn't listening when he did.

It's time to rename the White House to the Adjustment Bureau as every policy decision has to be amended after the fact, including Obamacare and the narrative is always the same, one version or another of "not our fault" and "it's working" even when it clearly isn't.

I find it hard to believe anyone trusts this clown.
 
The iraqi's should handle their own problems.

These lazy ****ers can't get Their **** together after 10 years of US coddling. Why should our citizens die for people who won't fight for themselves?

If it's that big of a deal then you go fight. Send your sons and daughters to fight.

The advanced nations of the World require stability in this region while they transition away from the energy supplies it has. Once the advanced nations of the world are sufficiently off the energy these regions supply, they can be left to continue the effort Mother Nature is taking to remove them from the evolutionary tree. Until then, the advanced nations must do everything they can to slow down their extinction efforts.
 
The White House has sent out Jen Psaki to put a positive spin on Leon Panetta words,
however she is failed miserably in this interview.

 
The White House has sent out Jen Psaki to put a positive spin on Leon Panetta words,
however she is failed miserably in this interview.



Whoa...

Miss flight attendant smile is owned! Even with video tape showing Obama himself took ownership of the fact no troops were left behind the lying bimbo continues with "that is not consistent......yadda, yadda, yadda..

Now, two years later NOW its an issue of the troops not having support....right even though Obama never mentioned that in the debate.....considering how much he skated in those debates, he most certainly would had mentioned it and said he did not want to expose his troops. This guy has never worried about who he blames.

Complete and total moral bankruptcy.
 
Grant, that was so well put. Sadly people supporting genocide happens more often than you think

"
The United States almost certainly knew from its own satellite imagery that Saddam was using chemical weapons against Iranian troops. When Saddam bombed Kurdish rebels and civilians with a lethal cocktail of mustard gas, sarin, tabun and VX in 1988, the Reagan administration first blamed Iran, before acknowledging, under pressure from congressional Democrats, that the culprits were Saddam's own forces
"
http://www.globalpolicy.org/component/content/article/167-general/34978.html

and grant, gassing the kurds was real genocide so that’s actual support for real genocide. I’m not really seeing "people supporting genocide" because we don’t really like the idea of propping up maliki in iraq.

There were no weapons of mass destruction.

Remember ? Bush " lied "
 
The iraqi's should handle their own problems.

These lazy ****ers can't get Their **** together after 10 years of US coddling. Why should our citizens die for people who won't fight for themselves?

If it's that big of a deal then you go fight. Send your sons and daughters to fight.

"US coddling"?

WTF...the US invaded on a lie about WMD's, transformed a stable government into a breeding ground for terrorists, fired the military and the government]. As a result the people went without electricity for months, suffered in a completely unjust war that had no purpose whatsoever. The US installed a puppet government and then left..

If that's "coddling" please do not do any favors for Canada.
 
and grant, gassing the kurds was real genocide so that’s actual support for real genocide. I’m not really seeing "people supporting genocide" because we don’t really like the idea of propping up maliki in iraq.
This is not about Maliki or any one man. When we personalize these things it makes it appear smaller than it really is. These are thousands of people being murdered because they are not Muslims or not Muslim enough. There is always a choice we can make which is a)to help, b) ignore the situation, or c) support whats going on. There is no real difference between b) and c).

We can ignore the direction the world is taking and look the other way but, it seems to me, that being human should be more than that.

Martin Niemöller - Wikiquote
 
I haven't been misled. Those were the terms Maliki was required to agree to for an extension. He chose not to. No immunity, no extension.



Yes you have. Either that or you are deliberately misleading.

The video tape is clear, Obama would have been granted immunity IF he had agreed to at least 10,000 troops. He would not. It was Obama's rejection and he made that very clear in the debates when he said he "did not want to get saddled with 10,000 troops. The interview is very specific, pins down the State Department flight attendant/propagandist and catches her lying as well.

Oh wait....it was on Fox and everyone knows Fox NEVER reports anything that's true, even when it comes out of the mouth of Obama himself.

carry on..
 
I read the OP and I think Panetta lost his mind. Its like I said, Maliki was presented with the terms and he admits to having rejected them. If a foreign nation wants the privilege of an American defense force then it must agree to our terms. There is no negotiating and Obama was clear on that from the beginning. Either an extension of our presence would come with full immunity for our troops or we would adhere to the withdraw date of the SOA that had already been agreed to.

BHO could have had full immunity. He did not try because he wanted to use the "impasse" as an excuse to leave.
 
It was difficult to get the Iraqi's to sign on to the 2008 agreement which had to be rushed into place because the Iraqi Govt. petitioned the U.N. to end its mandate.



As far as future involvement, it said nothing and the Iraqi's insisted it be that way. Many Iraqi's wanted us out in 2008



You should at least understand the trouble Bush had just getting 3 more years in Iraq. They did not want us there period.
\http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/18/AR2008111801118.html

I'll take Panetta's word.
 
BHO could have had full immunity. He did not try because he wanted to use the "impasse" as an excuse to leave.
Recall that the Democrats said the war was lost in 2007. They had no intention of staying, just as Obama promised during his campaign. To blame it on anyone or anything else is flagrant self deception or an incurable ignorance.

Senator Reid On Iraq: "This War Is Lost" - CBS News
 
Whoa...

Miss flight attendant smile is owned! Even with video tape showing Obama himself took ownership of the fact no troops were left behind the lying bimbo continues with "that is not consistent......yadda, yadda, yadda..

Now, two years later NOW its an issue of the troops not having support....right even though Obama never mentioned that in the debate.....considering how much he skated in those debates, he most certainly would had mentioned it and said he did not want to expose his troops. This guy has never worried about who he blames.

Complete and total moral bankruptcy.


Megyn did a great interview and cover all the bases on this one, including Obama own words was priceless!
 
Megyn did a great interview and cover all the bases on this one, including Obama own words was priceless!

She was actually very effective, had a full grasp of the details and was ready for what the bimbo had to say.

The flight attendant smile is what got me. painted on and rather condescending, a la Obama's press secretaries. She was beaten the third time she used the phrase "that is not consistent with the facts", but never offered any different "facts" and the few she did got shot down.

To paraphrase a former attorney general, Obama's got his tit caught in a ringer on this one. And it is a very dangerous transgression. Handled the right way, this will be the BYF [backyard fence] topic between now and the election, and the defenders of him are dropping like flies.
 
What?!? Jack how did Bush caving to every Iraqi demand give President Obama “a free hand”. A free hand would have been to extend the existing agreement for a year and not lock in the date for withdrawl from the cities and the date for withdrawl from the country. A free hand wouldn’t have required Iraqi approval for every action even a supply convoy. You should read what Bush agreed to sometime.


On the occasions that Marine bases in Anbar take rocket attacks, the first reaction is to call Iraqi Police. The Status of Forces Agreement has the Marines’ hands tied.
At the security meeting this week, Marine officers reminded their Iraqi counterparts that US forces were available to help with intelligence and surveillance, biometrics to identify suspects, and defusing explosives.
The security agreement, which requires the Marines to give the Iraqis 72 hours notice to move outside their base and then only with Iraqi escorts, has left part of the battalion with so little to do that more than 500 Marines are being sent home early.
The Captain's Journal » Iraq SOFA


Its no shock to me that the terms of Bush’s SOFA has been underreported

I'll take Panetta's word.
 
Recall that the Democrats said the war was lost in 2007. They had no intention of staying, just as Obama promised during his campaign. To blame it on anyone or anything else is flagrant self deception or an incurable ignorance.

Senator Reid On Iraq: "This War Is Lost" - CBS News

And yet both BHO and Biden later praised the "victory." One is left to wonder whether they have any sincere beliefs.
 
Megyn did a great interview and cover all the bases on this one, including Obama own words was priceless!
In fact the idea was not to tell the truth, it was to deflect sufficiently enough so that their moony supporters may still cling to some doubt as to what happened.
 
In fact the idea was not to tell the truth, it was to deflect sufficiently enough so that their moony supporters may still cling to some doubt as to what happened.

Agree, staff must stick to the same script -
 
This is not about Maliki or any one man. When we personalize these things it makes it appear smaller than it really is. These are thousands of people being murdered because they are not Muslims or not Muslim enough. There is always a choice we can make which is a)to help, b) ignore the situation, or c) support whats going on. There is no real difference between b) and c).

We can ignore the direction the world is taking and look the other way but, it seems to me, that being human should be more than that.

HOLY COW!!! what a giant pile of steaming deflecting s**t! I knew you wouldn't respond to the facts but I've really never seen such a giant pile of steaming deflecting s**t. Dude, you were calling people Nazis because you had some serious delusions not supporting maliki means supporting genocide. Seriously! Nazis! I think you fell and hit your head when you climbing down from your high horse.

Now, by your standards Reagan is a Nazi. seriously. Nazi.

There were no weapons of mass destruction.

Remember ? Bush " lied "

Fenton, is that you? are you really trying to deflect from Reagan's "Nazi tendencies" by trying to pretend that Saddam's chemical weapons in 1988 justified Bush's lies in 2002? yep, that's Fenton alright.
 
I'll take Panetta's word.

feel free to take Panetta's word. He thinks President Obama should have tried harder. Yea, tried harder is what he said. I guess maliki thought he could push President Obama around like he did with Bush. Just say President Obama should have caved to Malki's demand about no immunity for the troops and we can continue the conversation.

But you didn't answer the question I posed about your claim. Here it is again

Jack how did Bush caving to every Iraqi demand give President Obama “a free hand”?
 
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