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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Right, and for you, I'm certain, "responsible officials" only come from the GOP.
    No. They're not political. I was speaking of the career professionals: military, intelligence and foreign affairs. And btw, Panetta is a Democrat.
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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    So you would prefer what's going on there now?

    The thing is there were not 150,000 troops in Iraq when the present troubles began. There were none. The CIA Director at the time, Robert Gates, expected something over 70,000 to remain in order to maintain stability.
    First, no, we would prefer Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi and Assad were all still in power as a lesser of the evils we have now in the region. They all did quite well at containment of militant Islamic groups. The Islamic State would never have risen to the power they are now. That's just failure number one.

    And second, we don't care what you think about it, Obama was hired to get the hell out of Iraq, and that's what he did. We, not you, don't want another South Korea or Germany, we aren't interested in the expense in treasure, AND, unlike South Korea and Germany, there would be a steady flow of body bags coming home. HELL no, if you want 70K troops on the ground, then go convince Harper to do it, understand that Grant?
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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    No. They're not political. I was speaking of the career professionals: military, intelligence and foreign affairs. And btw, Panetta is a Democrat.
    Panetta is a chicken **** democrat short the balls to call it out at the time when something might have been done about it. Frankly I'm tired of the Johnny come lately guys that try to look important after the fact by saying "I told you so" in a memoir that will net him how many $$$$!!!!

    And who wants to listen to "intelligence" supposedly, let Bush tell it anyway, all of our intelligence agencies got it wrong on Iraqi WMD.
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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Panetta is a chicken **** democrat short the balls to call it out at the time when something might have been done about it. Frankly I'm tired of the Johnny come lately guys that try to look important after the fact by saying "I told you so" in a memoir that will net him how many $$$$!!!!

    And who wants to listen to "intelligence" supposedly, let Bush tell it anyway, all of our intelligence agencies got it wrong on Iraqi WMD.
    Panetta spoke out within the administration (along with many others) but was overruled by the WH.
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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    They make changes to SOFA all the time.
    That's besides the point that Bush's sofa left no troops loitering about in the cities past 2009, and confined to the bases and other areas of operation, which wouldn't leave them in very good order to respond to things like ISIS. And finally a complete withdrawal by the end of 2011. Furthermore NP, SOFAS are negotiated, Bush's took nearly a year, you don't just go changing them willy nilly. And it's conjecture to say that he figured Obama would leave troops in Iraq even though he negotiated a complete withdrawal.

    And finally again, if Hussein was still in Iraq, we wouldn't be talking about SOFAS or ISIS!
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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Panetta spoke out within the administration (along with many others) but was overruled by the WH.
    That's what he says, and your only running with the word of a democrat on this because it supports your position. Sorry, but it's too late for his bull crap now.
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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    That's besides the point that Bush's sofa left no troops loitering about in the cities past 2009, and confined to the bases and other areas of operation, which wouldn't leave them in very good order to respond to things like ISIS. And finally a complete withdrawal by the end of 2011. Furthermore NP, SOFAS are negotiated, Bush's took nearly a year, you don't just go changing them willy nilly. And it's conjecture to say that he figured Obama would leave troops in Iraq even though he negotiated a complete withdrawal.

    And finally again, if Hussein was still in Iraq, we wouldn't be talking about SOFAS or ISIS!
    That is the point. Do we now have troops there? what happened to the SOFA?
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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
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    And finally again, if Hussein was still in Iraq, we wouldn't be talking about SOFAS or ISIS!
    I'd rather be on the side of liberation from tyranny.

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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    That's what he says, and your only running with the word of a democrat on this because it supports your position. Sorry, but it's too late for his bull crap now.
    I have no party. Panetta's words are powerful because it is well known that others (Clinton, Petreaus, Gates, etc.) shared his view.
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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    First, no, we would prefer Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi and Assad were all still in power as a lesser of the evils we have now in the region.
    Not too often you get posters favoring genocidal dictators and mass murderers like Saddam Hussein. Would you also have attended the 'rape rooms'?

    The Iraqi courts didn't agree with your positive assessment of Saddam or his family and they feel justice was better served with his demise. It must have ruined your day, huh?

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