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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    The iraqi's should handle their own problems.

    These lazy ****ers can't get Their **** together after 10 years of US coddling. Why should our citizens die for people who won't fight for themselves?

    If it's that big of a deal then you go fight. Send your sons and daughters to fight.
    "US coddling"?

    WTF...the US invaded on a lie about WMD's, transformed a stable government into a breeding ground for terrorists, fired the military and the government]. As a result the people went without electricity for months, suffered in a completely unjust war that had no purpose whatsoever. The US installed a puppet government and then left..

    If that's "coddling" please do not do any favors for Canada.
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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Vern View Post
    and grant, gassing the kurds was real genocide so that’s actual support for real genocide. I’m not really seeing "people supporting genocide" because we don’t really like the idea of propping up maliki in iraq.
    This is not about Maliki or any one man. When we personalize these things it makes it appear smaller than it really is. These are thousands of people being murdered because they are not Muslims or not Muslim enough. There is always a choice we can make which is a)to help, b) ignore the situation, or c) support whats going on. There is no real difference between b) and c).

    We can ignore the direction the world is taking and look the other way but, it seems to me, that being human should be more than that.

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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    I haven't been misled. Those were the terms Maliki was required to agree to for an extension. He chose not to. No immunity, no extension.


    Yes you have. Either that or you are deliberately misleading.

    The video tape is clear, Obama would have been granted immunity IF he had agreed to at least 10,000 troops. He would not. It was Obama's rejection and he made that very clear in the debates when he said he "did not want to get saddled with 10,000 troops. The interview is very specific, pins down the State Department flight attendant/propagandist and catches her lying as well.

    Oh wait....it was on Fox and everyone knows Fox NEVER reports anything that's true, even when it comes out of the mouth of Obama himself.

    carry on..
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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    I read the OP and I think Panetta lost his mind. Its like I said, Maliki was presented with the terms and he admits to having rejected them. If a foreign nation wants the privilege of an American defense force then it must agree to our terms. There is no negotiating and Obama was clear on that from the beginning. Either an extension of our presence would come with full immunity for our troops or we would adhere to the withdraw date of the SOA that had already been agreed to.
    BHO could have had full immunity. He did not try because he wanted to use the "impasse" as an excuse to leave.
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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    It was difficult to get the Iraqi's to sign on to the 2008 agreement which had to be rushed into place because the Iraqi Govt. petitioned the U.N. to end its mandate.



    As far as future involvement, it said nothing and the Iraqi's insisted it be that way. Many Iraqi's wanted us out in 2008



    You should at least understand the trouble Bush had just getting 3 more years in Iraq. They did not want us there period.
    \http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/18/AR2008111801118.html
    I'll take Panetta's word.
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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    BHO could have had full immunity. He did not try because he wanted to use the "impasse" as an excuse to leave.
    Recall that the Democrats said the war was lost in 2007. They had no intention of staying, just as Obama promised during his campaign. To blame it on anyone or anything else is flagrant self deception or an incurable ignorance.

    Senator Reid On Iraq: "This War Is Lost" - CBS News

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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Whoa...

    Miss flight attendant smile is owned! Even with video tape showing Obama himself took ownership of the fact no troops were left behind the lying bimbo continues with "that is not consistent......yadda, yadda, yadda..

    Now, two years later NOW its an issue of the troops not having support....right even though Obama never mentioned that in the debate.....considering how much he skated in those debates, he most certainly would had mentioned it and said he did not want to expose his troops. This guy has never worried about who he blames.

    Complete and total moral bankruptcy.

    Megyn did a great interview and cover all the bases on this one, including Obama own words was priceless!

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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Meadowlark View Post
    Megyn did a great interview and cover all the bases on this one, including Obama own words was priceless!
    She was actually very effective, had a full grasp of the details and was ready for what the bimbo had to say.

    The flight attendant smile is what got me. painted on and rather condescending, a la Obama's press secretaries. She was beaten the third time she used the phrase "that is not consistent with the facts", but never offered any different "facts" and the few she did got shot down.

    To paraphrase a former attorney general, Obama's got his tit caught in a ringer on this one. And it is a very dangerous transgression. Handled the right way, this will be the BYF [backyard fence] topic between now and the election, and the defenders of him are dropping like flies.
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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Vern View Post
    What?!? Jack how did Bush caving to every Iraqi demand give President Obama “a free hand”. A free hand would have been to extend the existing agreement for a year and not lock in the date for withdrawl from the cities and the date for withdrawl from the country. A free hand wouldn’t have required Iraqi approval for every action even a supply convoy. You should read what Bush agreed to sometime.


    On the occasions that Marine bases in Anbar take rocket attacks, the first reaction is to call Iraqi Police. The Status of Forces Agreement has the Marines’ hands tied.
    At the security meeting this week, Marine officers reminded their Iraqi counterparts that US forces were available to help with intelligence and surveillance, biometrics to identify suspects, and defusing explosives.
    The security agreement, which requires the Marines to give the Iraqis 72 hours notice to move outside their base and then only with Iraqi escorts, has left part of the battalion with so little to do that more than 500 Marines are being sent home early.
    The Captain's Journal » Iraq SOFA


    Its no shock to me that the terms of Bush’s SOFA has been underreported
    I'll take Panetta's word.
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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Recall that the Democrats said the war was lost in 2007. They had no intention of staying, just as Obama promised during his campaign. To blame it on anyone or anything else is flagrant self deception or an incurable ignorance.

    Senator Reid On Iraq: "This War Is Lost" - CBS News
    And yet both BHO and Biden later praised the "victory." One is left to wonder whether they have any sincere beliefs.
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