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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    The SOFA that Bush signed said forces would withdraw from all Iraqi cities in 2009 and completely by 2011.
    That was to give his successor a free hand to negotiate his own agreement. In 2008 no responsible official imagined there would be a total US withdrawal.
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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I always thought he was a pretty square shooter. Its great to see and Obama surrogate tell the truth for once.

    Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq | Fox News

    October 2 2014

    Former Defense Secretary Leon Panetta is lashing out at President Obama’s inner circle for failing to secure a 2011 deal to leave U.S. troops in Iraq, effectively accusing the White House of sabotaging the talks – in turn, opening the door for the region to become a haven for the Islamic State.
    Panetta, who served as CIA director and then Defense secretary during those negotiations, aired his complaints in his forthcoming memoir, “Worthy Fights.” Excerpts on the Baghdad talks were published by Time.
    Leon Panetta should have told the truth much earlier, and made it public much earlier. Anyone who followed the situation knew this but the main stream media certainly never publicized it. Had he made it public at the time, given its importance, things may have been different.

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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    That was to give his successor a free hand to negotiate his own agreement. In 2008 no responsible official imagined there would be a total US withdrawal.
    Sure. And yet Obama supporters believe this SOFA was etched in stone. There is no excuse for this.

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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by radioman View Post
    We've spent billions of dollars and a decade training the Iraqi army.
    They wilted at the mere sight of the ISIS.
    I guess we were wasting our time and money....either our training was ineffective or the Iraqis won't fight for their freedom..
    It's their land.....and they won't fight for it.
    Too bad.
    If we would have provided the necessary support, they wouldn't have folded up. Notice, now that they're getting air, they're taking back lost ground
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    From the OP:

    Panetta, who served as CIA director and then Defense secretary during those negotiations, aired his complaints in his forthcoming memoir, “Worthy Fights.” Excerpts on the Baghdad talks were published by Time.

    In them, Panetta explained that Iraqi leaders privately wanted some U.S. forces to stay behind after the formal 2011 withdrawal, though they would not say so publicly. The former secretary, though, said the U.S. had “leverage” to strike a deal, and the Defense and State departments tried to do exactly that.

    “But,” he wrote, “the President’s team at the White House pushed back, and the differences occasionally became heated. … and those on our side viewed the White House as so eager to rid itself of Iraq that it was willing to withdraw rather than lock in arrangements that would preserve our influence and interests.”

    He said the negotiations with then-Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki went down to the wire in December 2011, but the White House never stepped up.

    “To my frustration, the White House coordinated the negotiations but never really led them,” Panetta charged. “Officials there seemed content to endorse an agreement if State and Defense could reach one, but without the President’s active advocacy, al-Maliki was allowed to slip away.”

    The account from Panetta challenges the notion that the Obama administration would have left some troops behind – as U.S. military advisers wanted – if only the Iraqi government had been more willing to negotiate. While Panetta lays some blame at the feet of the Iraqis, he also argues that the White House never seized the chance at a deal.

    I read the OP and I think Panetta lost his mind. Its like I said, Maliki was presented with the terms and he admits to having rejected them. If a foreign nation wants the privilege of an American defense force then it must agree to our terms. There is no negotiating and Obama was clear on that from the beginning. Either an extension of our presence would come with full immunity for our troops or we would adhere to the withdraw date of the SOA that had already been agreed to.

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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

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    I read the OP and I think Panetta lost his mind. Its like I said, Maliki was presented with the terms and he admits to having rejected them. If a foreign nation wants the privilege of an American defense force then it must agree to our terms. There is no negotiating and Obama was clear on that from the beginning. Either an extension of our presence would come with full immunity for our troops or we would adhere to the withdraw date of the SOA that had already been agreed to.
    No troops anywhere are given "full immunity". You've been misled.

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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    No troops anywhere are given "full immunity". You've been misled.
    I haven't been misled. Those were the terms Maliki was required to agree to for an extension. He chose not to. No immunity, no extension.

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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I always thought he was a pretty square shooter. Its great to see and Obama surrogate tell the truth for once.

    Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq | Fox News

    October 2 2014

    Former Defense Secretary Leon Panetta is lashing out at President Obama’s inner circle for failing to secure a 2011 deal to leave U.S. troops in Iraq, effectively accusing the White House of sabotaging the talks – in turn, opening the door for the region to become a haven for the Islamic State.
    Panetta, who served as CIA director and then Defense secretary during those negotiations, aired his complaints in his forthcoming memoir, “Worthy Fights.” Excerpts on the Baghdad talks were published by Time.
    Make sure you buy that book of his or you will miss the whole point of this.

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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    That was to give his successor a free hand to negotiate his own agreement. In 2008 no responsible official imagined there would be a total US withdrawal.
    It was difficult to get the Iraqi's to sign on to the 2008 agreement which had to be rushed into place because the Iraqi Govt. petitioned the U.N. to end its mandate.

    U.S. and multinational forces have been in Iraq since 2003 under a UN Security Council mandate renewed annually. But because Iraq's government has requested that the Security Council not renew the mandate upon its expiration at the end of 2008, U.S. officials have had to accelerate negotiations on a detailed legal framework for the U.S. presence in Iraq.
    As far as future involvement, it said nothing and the Iraqi's insisted it be that way. Many Iraqi's wanted us out in 2008

    U.S. officials, meanwhile, have repeatedly stated that neither agreement will tie the hands of the next administration. The agreements "will not establish permanent bases in Iraq, nor will they specify in any fashion the number of American forces to be stationed there," Ambassador David Satterfield, a senior adviser on Iraq policy, told lawmakers in March 2008.
    You should at least understand the trouble Bush had just getting 3 more years in Iraq. They did not want us there period.
    \http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/18/AR2008111801118.html

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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    It was difficult to get the Iraqi's to sign on to the 2008 agreement which had to be rushed into place because the Iraqi Govt. petitioned the U.N. to end its mandate. As far as future involvement, it said nothing and the Iraqi's insisted it be that way. Many Iraqi's wanted us out in 2008 You should at least understand the trouble Bush had just getting 3 more years in Iraq. They did not want us there period.
    \http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/18/AR2008111801118.html
    You speak of "Iraqis" as though they were all of one mind, that there was no disagreement, no fears, no Islamists, and so on. Why not discuss a topic you know something about instead making such assertive errors?

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