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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    It's a date set by the publisher to maximize sales. You do realize this was done to sell books don't you?
    Putting out the book while president Obama is still in office just so they can sell more books, get more publicity and make more money only makes it more unsavory.
    As far as the date being set by the publishers. The publishers can't publish a book that isn't yet written.

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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    The left sure as hell did not wait to slam President Bush before he got out of office...It goes with the territory Anna...By the way welcome to DP...Looking forward to your input......
    Neither did the right! Here's another memoir writer, is he a straight shooter too??

    McClellan criticized the Bush Administration in his 2008 memoir, What Happened.[5] In the book, he accused Bush of "self-deception"[6] and of maintaining a "permanent campaign approach" to governing rather than making the best choices.
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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Neither did the right! Here's another memoir writer, is he a straight shooter too??

    McClellan criticized the Bush Administration in his 2008 memoir, What Happened.[5] In the book, he accused Bush of "self-deception"[6] and of maintaining a "permanent campaign approach" to governing rather than making the best choices.
    A fired spokes weasel is one thing, two respected SecDef's, and a SoS is quite another.

    But I understand your need to defend every aspect of negative talk about Obama, hell you can't admit that you wasted two votes for him.
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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Anna Noblesse View Post
    Putting out the book while president Obama is still in office just so they can sell more books, get more publicity and make more money only makes it more unsavory.
    As far as the date being set by the publishers. The publishers can't publish a book that isn't yet written.
    What Panetta said was not really groundbreaking news. He is just confirming what anyone with a basic understanding of these situations knew already.

    Because Obama cannot seek reelection Panetta may have cleared his ideas with Obama before the book was even published, giving him a heads-up, as Obama appears indifferent to the goings on around him anyway. And the sales of the book will earn Panetta a good retirement, as is the tradition, and other books will be published supporting Obama, and so on. It will soon be forgotten.

    However it does allow Hillary to reintroduce the idea that she, unlike Obama, would be ready for that 3am phone call. Panetta gave her a pass, and made this unlikely surmisal.
    Leon Panetta Defends Hillary from ‘Unfair’ Benghazi Criticisms on O’Reilly | Mediaite

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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    No part of the USG had anything at all to do with fomenting unrest in Ukraine.


    Oh, well there was that 7 minute tape of a senior state department official talking about further aid to the rebels, and there have been documented press reports identifying individuals.

    Without that, based simply on the history of the US, the bald faced incompetence of Barrack Obama, it is almost a given. Based these facts, the record of accuracy, I believe them, not someone who has a record of posting blatant bull****. I notice you did not address the main issue, that the US has never been successful at regime change; it's record is steeped in blood from Pinochet, various puppets in Vietnam, the Shah of Iran and on and on.
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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    To which atrocities do you refer?

    How about this?

    The military dictatorship of Chile (Spanish: dictadura militar de Chile) was an authoritarian military government that ruled Chile between 1973 and 1990. The dictatorship was established after the democratically elected government of Salvador Allende was overthrown by a CIA-backed coup d'état on 11 September 1973. The dictatorship was headed by a military junta presided by General Augusto Pinochet. The perceived breakdown of democracy and the economic crisis that took place during Allende's presidency were justifications used by the military to seize power. The dictatorship presented its mission as a "national reconstruction".

    The regime was characterized by the systematic suppression of political parties and the persecution of dissidents to an extent that was unprecedented in the history of Chile. Over-all, the regime left over 3,000 dead or missing[1] and forced 200,000 Chileans into exile.[2]

    I guess in your America 3000 dead or missing is what "peacekeeping". The rest of the world calls them atrocities.

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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

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    Oh, well there was that 7 minute tape of a senior state department official talking about further aid to the rebels, and there have been documented press reports identifying individuals.

    Without that, based simply on the history of the US, the bald faced incompetence of Barrack Obama, it is almost a given. Based these facts, the record of accuracy, I believe them, not someone who has a record of posting blatant bull****. I notice you did not address the main issue, that the US has never been successful at regime change; it's record is steeped in blood from Pinochet, various puppets in Vietnam, the Shah of Iran and on and on.
    In fact there were incredible 'regime changes' made during WWII, the Shah was an enlightened leader in Iran compared to what followed, Pinochet saved Chile from a civil war and then reintroduced Democracy to Chile making it the most prosperous country in Latin America. Nicaragua owes its democracy to American aid and Costa Rica was also defended. If you want to be critical of dictators during the Cold War, as you should, there were a great many worse than Augusto Pinochet.

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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    If we're ever to learn a lesson from our policy mistakes, we must acknowledge them, and stop apologizing for them.

    PBS commentator Bill Moyers had made similar points throughout the run up to the Iraq War, and prior to a national press conference on the Iraq War[28] Moyers correctly predicted "at least a dozen times during this press conference he [the President] will invoke 9/11 and Al Qaeda to justify a preemptive attack on a country that has not attacked America. But the White House press corps will ask no hard questions tonight about those claims."[68][69] Moyers later also denounced the complicity of the press in the administration's campaign for the war, saying that the media "surrendered its independence and skepticism to join with [the U.S.] government in marching to war," and that the administration "needed a compliant press, to pass on their propaganda as news and cheer them on.
    There's the point.

    As I have said, Bush had his honeymoon with the media too. I suggest if some "hard questions" had been asked of Obama in the early days, there likely would have been a different scenario playing out today. I don't recall any US media, or Republicans either for that matter, saying Obama was jeopardizing ME security by pulling out of Iraq.
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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    In fact there were incredible 'regime changes' made during WWII, the Shah was an enlightened leader in Iran compared to what followed, Pinochet saved Chile from a civil war and then reintroduced Democracy to Chile making it the most prosperous country in Latin America. Nicaragua owes its democracy to American aid and Costa Rica was also defended. If you want to be critical of dictators during the Cold War, as you should, there were a great many worse than Augusto Pinochet.

    The Shah was a good guy? He killed and tortured thousands! Or were Iranians rioting over his looks?

    Pinochet restored "democracy"?

    That's outright bull****.
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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    How about this?
    You are going way off topic here but that clip certainly doesn't give you the full picture of what was going on in Chile at the time. This is a completely one-sided sound bite.

    If you talk to Chilean people who were alive at the time they will tell you that Allende, with the help of Fidel Castro, was trying to create a Communist state in Chile. Pinochet prevented a civil war and helped create a prosperous, modern and democratic Chile, with the best economy in Latin America.

    Also, to blame the USA first for the troubles in the world is a lazy and tiresome bit of anti Americanism that would be better left to the Cold War propagandists. The fact is that the US has always been an excellent neighbor to Canada, as Canada has been to them, and this silliness is best left to the politically naive who feel a paragraph or two from Wiki is a substitute for actual knowledge.

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