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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

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    These buggars deny the CIA atrocities in Latin America every time it comes up. Funny thing is the amount of documentation behind it.
    To which atrocities do you refer?
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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    The remainder of your post also contained errors, so you should feel lucky that I only went with the fringe propaganda portion
    That's interesting. Given that I included a copy-paste with a linked source demonstrating the portion you did cite, could you cite and point out which parts were errors?

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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    I love these insider books about presidents because it's interesting to read about what goes on behind the doors of the most powerful office in the world. I'm going to read Panetta's book and as far as I'm concerned he has a lot of credibility. However I do think he should have waited until president Obama was out of office before he released the book. I don't think presidents should have to look over their shoulder to see which insider is outing their private conversations and second guessing them while they're trying to run the country, or in Obama's case, while he's trying to tee off.

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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Anna Noblesse View Post
    I love these insider books about presidents because it's interesting to read about what goes on behind the doors of the most powerful office in the world. I'm going to read Panetta's book and as far as I'm concerned he has a lot of credibility. However I do think he should have waited until president Obama was out of office before he released the book. I don't think presidents should have to look over their shoulder to see which insider is outing their private conversations and second guessing them while they're trying to run the country, or in Obama's case, while he's trying to tee off.
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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    It was mass insanity as I recall. As old Hans Bliz was begging for another week, he was being decried as a 'terrorist sympathizer' in the media. There is no escaping the fact the US was in a frenzy over invading; while politicians of the day heralded themselves as heroes, Canada went about re-electing the most corrupt Prime Minister in the modern era because "he kept us out of Iraq. If there was anyone opposed at the time, they were few, I think even Obama voted "present".

    But what good does that do now? Since then a lot of water has gone over the dam; the initial occupation was a sham, they virtually destroyed the country. Obama then fed off over-glowing reports about stability and pulled out, resulting in the current situation. None of what happened to the changing of the guard is relevant since they are gone. Obama is in charge, he is the only one who can change anything, he is the Omega man, the only guy who can now fix what has been wrought. That's where is the focus. as was my point, harping on "they did it too" only feeds the fact nothing changes.

    and nothing will until Americans take an honest look at where they are instead of the ongoing mid game of blaming each other about how you got there.
    If we're ever to learn a lesson from our policy mistakes, we must acknowledge them, and stop apologizing for them.

    PBS commentator Bill Moyers had made similar points throughout the run up to the Iraq War, and prior to a national press conference on the Iraq War[28] Moyers correctly predicted "at least a dozen times during this press conference he [the President] will invoke 9/11 and Al Qaeda to justify a preemptive attack on a country that has not attacked America. But the White House press corps will ask no hard questions tonight about those claims."[68][69] Moyers later also denounced the complicity of the press in the administration's campaign for the war, saying that the media "surrendered its independence and skepticism to join with [the U.S.] government in marching to war," and that the administration "needed a compliant press, to pass on their propaganda as news and cheer them on.
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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Studied ignorance is the only explanation I can think of, which indicates that in the proper environment propaganda works, and works well. The less desirable conclusion is that the right still supports such behavior and are simply intentionally obtuse on certain facts of history that paint them as those they claim to ideologically oppose (fascists/authoritarians).
    I would agree with you on that completely.
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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    As who I believe was a great President Harry Truman once said and I paraphrase "The buck stops here".
    Should have applied that to Bush when he blamed the intel community for his lies about Iraq and Saddam Hussein.
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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Anna Noblesse View Post
    I love these insider books about presidents because it's interesting to read about what goes on behind the doors of the most powerful office in the world. I'm going to read Panetta's book and as far as I'm concerned he has a lot of credibility. However I do think he should have waited until president Obama was out of office before he released the book. I don't think presidents should have to look over their shoulder to see which insider is outing their private conversations and second guessing them while they're trying to run the country, or in Obama's case, while he's trying to tee off.
    Panetta should have resigned at the time he was unhappy with Obama's leadership and gone public as to why. Now, despite the interesting things he has to say during his interviews, it still comes off as looking a bit shoddy.

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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Anna Noblesse View Post
    I love these insider books about presidents because it's interesting to read about what goes on behind the doors of the most powerful office in the world. I'm going to read Panetta's book and as far as I'm concerned he has a lot of credibility. However I do think he should have waited until president Obama was out of office before he released the book. I don't think presidents should have to look over their shoulder to see which insider is outing their private conversations and second guessing them while they're trying to run the country, or in Obama's case, while he's trying to tee off.
    The left sure as hell did not wait to slam President Bush before he got out of office...It goes with the territory Anna...By the way welcome to DP...Looking forward to your input......
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