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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Well that one takes the daily prize for missing the whole point. Pinochet was a ****ing success? The United States installed one of the most brutal ****ing dictators, the guy made Idi ****ing Amin look like Mother Theresa, the CIA helped him round up political opponents and disappear them.
    You obviously know nothing of Chile or this period.
    Panama? You talk about now, I talk about Noriega........
    Good.
    And no, I don't know, nor care "you know who", constantly blaming the "other guy" is why you've been making the same mistake since you first rolled into Vietnam in 1947 with all the ****ing answers.
    Vietnam??
    There's no list of "successes" where US "regime change" has been involved....not even Ukraine where you tried to do it without bombing for a change....look how well that worked.
    The US is responsible for the Ukraine? I would point my finger at the Russians.

    No one elected the United States the world's policeman; with the world's worst crime rates, poorest education system in the modernized world, on-going warfare for the last 13 years and so much racial division the nation stalls every time a white cop shoots a black kid, fewer and fewer people in this world want what you have. It is time to stop trying to force it down people's throats by arming rebels and backing dictators.
    You didn't impress me too much with your comments on Chile, Panama, the Ukraine or the Cold War. Without United States involvement in the world wars, including the Cold War, do you feel there would be fewer dictators in the world?

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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You obviously know nothing of Chile or this period.
    Good.
    Vietnam??
    The US is responsible for the Ukraine? I would point my finger at the Russians.

    You didn't impress me too much with your comments on Chile, Panama, the Ukraine or the Cold War. Without United States involvement in the world wars, including the Cold War, do you feel there would be fewer dictators in the world?



    I guess I must be a complete dolt...

    The military dictatorship of Chile (Spanish: dictadura militar de Chile) was an authoritarian military government that ruled Chile between 1973 and 1990. The dictatorship was established after the democratically elected government of Salvador Allende was overthrown by a CIA-backed coup d'état on 11 September 1973. The dictatorship was headed by a military junta presided by General Augusto Pinochet. The perceived breakdown of democracy and the economic crisis that took place during Allende's presidency were justifications used by the military to seize power. The dictatorship presented its mission as a "national reconstruction".

    The regime was characterized by the systematic suppression of political parties and the persecution of dissidents to an extent that was unprecedented in the history of Chile. Over-all, the regime left over 3,000 dead or missing[1] and forced 200,000 Chileans into exile.[2] The dictatorship shaped much of modern Chile's political, educational and economic life. In 1980, it replaced the Constitution of 1925 with a a new one crafted by regime collaborators. The constitution was approved in a highly controversial referendum in 1980, but Pinochet's plans to remain in power were thwarted in 1988 when the regime admitted defeat in a referendum that opened the way for democracy to be reestablished in 1990. Before the regime relinquished power, an amnesty law was passed, preventing most members of the military from being prosecuted by the subsequent government.Military dictatorship of Chile (1973
    Didn't read the rest, and yes, the CIA is entirely responsible for the unrest in the Ukraine, your CIA station chief is caught on tape. You tried to end Russian influence and failed there too.
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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    I guess I must be a complete dolt...
    Only in some areas.

    Didn't read the rest, and yes, the CIA is entirely responsible for the unrest in the Ukraine, your CIA station chief is caught on tape. You tried to end Russian influence and failed there too.
    If a CIA Station Chief can overthrow the Ukraine then a dozen or so could probably overthrow the entire Middle East.

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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    I guess I must be a complete dolt...



    Didn't read the rest, and yes, the CIA is entirely responsible for the unrest in the Ukraine, your CIA station chief is caught on tape. You tried to end Russian influence and failed there too.
    Nonsense.
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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Nonsense.
    Trolling?

    You have something to back that up with besides a cheap drive by post.

    Didn't think so.
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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I find it really entertaining how you felt the need to make sure you didn't cite the rest of the post, which rather drove home the point.
    The remainder of your post also contained errors, so you should feel lucky that I only went with the fringe propaganda portion

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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Trolling?

    You have something to back that up with besides a cheap drive by post.

    Didn't think so.
    These buggars deny the CIA atrocities in Latin America every time it comes up. Funny thing is the amount of documentation behind it.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    [...] If a CIA Station Chief can overthrow the Ukraine then a dozen or so could probably overthrow the entire Middle East.
    They've probably already hit most of the high points in that region, with Iran and Iraq at the top of the list.

    "In February 1960, the CIA created an unrelated plan to oust [Prime Minister] Qasim by giving him a poisoned handkerchief, although it may have been aborted.[24]

    Army officers with ties to the Ba'ath Party overthrew Qasim in the Ramadan Revolution coup of 1963. Ba'athist leaders were appointed to the cabinet and Abdul Salam Arif became president. The governments of the United States and United Kingdom were complicit in the coup.[25]"

    Saddam Hussein [Rise to Power] - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    These buggars deny the CIA atrocities in Latin America every time it comes up. Funny thing is the amount of documentation behind it.
    Studied ignorance is the only explanation I can think of, which indicates that in the proper environment propaganda works, and works well. The less desirable conclusion is that the right still supports such behavior and are simply intentionally obtuse on certain facts of history that paint them as those they claim to ideologically oppose (fascists/authoritarians).

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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    There's a fair share of republicans that would like to put that genie back in the bottle too. And I forgot, everything's Obama's fault.
    As who I believe was a great President Harry Truman once said and I paraphrase "The buck stops here".
    "God Bless Our Troops in Harms Way."

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