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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Apache was the one that said they were being nice.
    In Robert Gates case, I was just repeating what Gates said.

    As for Panneta, I'm sure he want's to distance himself from Obama as much as possible and the same is probably true with Gates.

    But some are saying that Panneta is a Hillary Clinton man and also wants to distance Hillary from Obama.

    You're talking about a community organizer who got elected as President who had no experience at anything.

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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Not according to the supplied quote or anything in the article. If you have a reliable source to support this rather vapid claim, I suggest you supply it. In the meantime the Secretary of Defense at the time says differently.....we'll take that, thanks.

    Just a suggestion, but did you actually read the article, or just whip it out there?
    *snip*

    Iraq's Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki said Saturday that disagreement between Baghdad and Washington over the issue of immunity for American soldiers from Iraqi law was the main obstacle to reaching a deal to maintain an American military presence in Iraq beyond the end of the year.

    Mr. Maliki also signaled that there would be no compromise on this matter even in further discussions to keep a small contingent of American trainers and advisers.

    "When the issue of immunity was brought up and the Iraqi side was told that the American side won't leave a single soldier without full immunity and the Iraqi answer was that it's impossible to grant immunity to a single American soldier, negotiations stopped regarding the numbers, location and mechanics of training," Mr. Maliki told reporters in Baghdad.

    *snip*

    Mr. Maliki, who clinched a second term as prime minister in December after a grueling election, sought maximum political gain for Friday's announcement, projecting himself as the guardian of Iraqi sovereignty in the face of American demands.

    "This is a huge victory and a massive success for Iraq and its diplomacy and its will and the will of its patriotic political forces," he said in his appearance on Saturday.

    *snip*

    Source.

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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by radioman View Post
    We've spent billions of dollars and a decade training the Iraqi army.
    They wilted at the mere sight of the ISIS.
    I guess we were wasting our time and money....either our training was ineffective or the Iraqis won't fight for their freedom..
    It's their land.....and they won't fight for it.
    Too bad.
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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    In Robert Gates case, I was just repeating what Gates said.

    As for Panneta, I'm sure he want's to distance himself from Obama as much as possible and the same is probably true with Gates.

    But some are saying that Panneta is a Hillary Clinton man and also wants to distance Hillary from Obama.

    You're talking about a community organizer who got elected as President who had no experience at anything.
    Yeah, that's what I think too, it's all politics, no substance and of course he and Hillary go back twenty five years, and of course she needs to be as far away from Obama as Romney needed to be from Bush. Anything new?
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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Yeah, that's what I think too, it's all politics, no substance and of course he and Hillary go back twenty five years, and of course she needs to be as far away from Obama as Romney needed to be from Bush. Anything new?
    Maybe; there's no way in Hell Hillary can distance herself from Obama. She did his bidding.
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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I always thought he was a pretty square shooter. Its great to see and Obama surrogate tell the truth for once.

    Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq | Fox News

    October 2 2014

    Former Defense Secretary Leon Panetta is lashing out at President Obama’s inner circle for failing to secure a 2011 deal to leave U.S. troops in Iraq, effectively accusing the White House of sabotaging the talks – in turn, opening the door for the region to become a haven for the Islamic State.
    Panetta, who served as CIA director and then Defense secretary during those negotiations, aired his complaints in his forthcoming memoir, “Worthy Fights.” Excerpts on the Baghdad talks were published by Time.
    Bingo. Full points plus bonus. Panetta is indeed a straight shooter. He is dead center on the money on this.
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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by radioman View Post
    We've spent billions of dollars and a decade training the Iraqi army.
    They wilted at the mere sight of the ISIS.
    I guess we were wasting our time and money....either our training was ineffective or the Iraqis won't fight for their freedom..
    It's their land.....and they won't fight for it.
    Too bad.
    I would say most of the problem you speak of lies at the feet of Maliki. It was he who replaced career competent military leaders with leaders that were shia and loyal to him. Most of those Maliki put in charge didn't know a darn thing about the military. Then Maliki used those loyal leaders to suppress the sunni which left a very ripe open for ISIS to do their thing.

    The Iraqi troops themselves may have been capable, but when the troops see their leaders flee, natural instinct takes over. Leaderless, they flee too. It remains to be seen how this new government, whether it will be successful in talking the former leaders Maliki canned and replaced to return. If they do, you will see a different type of Iraqi military. The type and quality of leaders can make all the difference.

    One thing was for sure, these leaderless troops sure didn't think Maliki's government was worth fighting for.
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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    *snip*

    Iraq's Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki said Saturday that disagreement between Baghdad and Washington over the issue of immunity for American soldiers from Iraqi law was the main obstacle to reaching a deal to maintain an American military presence in Iraq beyond the end of the year.

    Mr. Maliki also signaled that there would be no compromise on this matter even in further discussions to keep a small contingent of American trainers and advisers.

    "When the issue of immunity was brought up and the Iraqi side was told that the American side won't leave a single soldier without full immunity and the Iraqi answer was that it's impossible to grant immunity to a single American soldier, negotiations stopped regarding the numbers, location and mechanics of training," Mr. Maliki told reporters in Baghdad.

    *snip*

    Mr. Maliki, who clinched a second term as prime minister in December after a grueling election, sought maximum political gain for Friday's announcement, projecting himself as the guardian of Iraqi sovereignty in the face of American demands.

    "This is a huge victory and a massive success for Iraq and its diplomacy and its will and the will of its patriotic political forces," he said in his appearance on Saturday.

    *snip*

    Source.
    From the OP:

    Panetta, who served as CIA director and then Defense secretary during those negotiations, aired his complaints in his forthcoming memoir, “Worthy Fights.” Excerpts on the Baghdad talks were published by Time.

    In them, Panetta explained that Iraqi leaders privately wanted some U.S. forces to stay behind after the formal 2011 withdrawal, though they would not say so publicly. The former secretary, though, said the U.S. had “leverage” to strike a deal, and the Defense and State departments tried to do exactly that.

    “But,” he wrote, “the President’s team at the White House pushed back, and the differences occasionally became heated. … and those on our side viewed the White House as so eager to rid itself of Iraq that it was willing to withdraw rather than lock in arrangements that would preserve our influence and interests.”

    He said the negotiations with then-Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki went down to the wire in December 2011, but the White House never stepped up.

    “To my frustration, the White House coordinated the negotiations but never really led them,” Panetta charged. “Officials there seemed content to endorse an agreement if State and Defense could reach one, but without the President’s active advocacy, al-Maliki was allowed to slip away.”

    The account from Panetta challenges the notion that the Obama administration would have left some troops behind – as U.S. military advisers wanted – if only the Iraqi government had been more willing to negotiate. While Panetta lays some blame at the feet of the Iraqis, he also argues that the White House never seized the chance at a deal.
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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    *snip*

    Iraq's Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki said Saturday that disagreement between Baghdad and Washington over the issue of immunity for American soldiers from Iraqi law was the main obstacle to reaching a deal to maintain an American military presence in Iraq beyond the end of the year.

    Mr. Maliki also signaled that there would be no compromise on this matter even in further discussions to keep a small contingent of American trainers and advisers.

    "When the issue of immunity was brought up and the Iraqi side was told that the American side won't leave a single soldier without full immunity and the Iraqi answer was that it's impossible to grant immunity to a single American soldier, negotiations stopped regarding the numbers, location and mechanics of training," Mr. Maliki told reporters in Baghdad.

    *snip*

    Mr. Maliki, who clinched a second term as prime minister in December after a grueling election, sought maximum political gain for Friday's announcement, projecting himself as the guardian of Iraqi sovereignty in the face of American demands.

    "This is a huge victory and a massive success for Iraq and its diplomacy and its will and the will of its patriotic political forces," he said in his appearance on Saturday.

    *snip*

    Source.
    The SOFA that Bush signed said forces would withdraw from all Iraqi cities in 2009 and completely by 2011.
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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Just don't repeat the same mistake in Afghanistan.

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