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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Malaki didn't need residuals.

    BAGHDAD, Iraq -- Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki said Thursday he believed Iraqi forces would be ready by June 2007 to take full control of security in Iraq, an issue on which he pressed President Bush during their meeting in Amman, Jordan.

    In making the argument that his military and police could handle security in the country, al-Maliki has routinely said the force could do the job within six months.

    "I can say that Iraqi forces will be ready, fully ready to receive this command and to command its own forces, and I can tell you that by next June our forces will be ready," al-Maliki said in an interview with ABC News.

    According to Panetta the US had the needed leverage to renegotiate the a SOFA agreement with the Iraqi's.

    The White House even coordinated the negotiations.

    But Obama wanted out period.

    So I'm trying to figure out if his motives were purely Political or if he was just frustrated and wanted nothing more to do with Iraq.

    Granted, neither one of those reasons justify what he did

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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    According to Panetta the US had the needed leverage to renegotiate the a SOFA agreement with the Iraqi's.

    The White House even coordinated the negotiations.

    But Obama wanted out period.

    So I'm trying to figure out if his motives were purely Political or if he was just frustrated and wanted nothing more to do with Iraq.

    Granted, neither one of those reasons justify what he did
    It could be a little of both. But remember, Obama was hired (amongst other reasons I realize) to get us out of Iraq. The American people were content with Bush's SOFA of complete withdrawal by Dec. 31, 2011.

    Besides that, eight years of training left the Iraqi security forces ready to handle their own security.

    Iraq PM Says Forces Can Handle Security Without U.S.
    http://www.rferl.org/content/Iraq_PM...S/1764056.html

    Also, right next door is the worlds fourth largest military that could have intervened if they didn't see the fall of a Shia government as beneficial to their interests.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Democracy is nothing if people dont compromise. It doesnt work for every country.
    There was a broad sunni-shia-kurd center coalition building after the elections before the ones we just had. We put Joe Biden in charge of sheperding it, and apparently he managed to dick it up bad enough that the other two groups walked, and Maliki was left with no one to build a majority with but the Sadrists. Iraq had the most federal system of any Arab State.

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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Besides that, eight years of training left the Iraqi security forces ready to handle their own security.
    That is clearly wrong now and was clearly wrong at the time.

    Iraq PM Says Forces Can Handle Security Without U.S.
    Iraq PM Says Forces Can Handle Security Without U.S.
    Maliki was was a fool and is saying this as bombs dropped around him. Did Obama really take this guys words that Iraq would remain secure?? Who is more naive? Obama or Maliki?

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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I was referring to president Clinton. But to play along, at one time eighty percent or better of Americans supported the Iraq war, but in the course of time, they'd like to put that genie back into the bottle.
    I doubt that as Bill Clinton was no longer in power and speaking after the fact, just when many other Democrats turned their coats. You can't see the politics in his responses???

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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Really! He never bombed Baghdad? At any rate, he thinks the premature invasion was a mistake and that the weapons inspectors should have been allowed to finish their job, and being there were no WMD's, they would have concluded such and the impetus for war would have been non existent.
    He is a Democrat first and always. Of course he is going to say that!!

    You were referring to Hillary and now come up with a silly 60 minutes interview. Why not just stop.

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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    So much for the Obama Foreign Policy narrative.

    You know, " Don't do stupid s***"

    I mean think about it. Past Presidents actually worked FOR Middle east peace.

    Obama ? Nope.

    He decided to play Politics with one of the most unstable regions in the world.

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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Well yes of course he's a politician right. You could post me quotes of Bush or Reagan all day, and I'd post back yet more quotes that contradict themselves, and the same is true for Clinton and Obama. And if Hillary is to run, which appears a given, of course we'll be hearing Clinton walk back his criticism of the Iraq invasion, as hell have to, right. And of course, why couldn't Abrams and Leverette be telling stories.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    That is clearly wrong now and was clearly wrong at the time.

    Maliki was was a fool and is saying this as bombs dropped around him. Did Obama really take this guys words that Iraq would remain secure?? Who is more naive? Obama or Maliki?
    Well, if it was wrong at the time, then I suppose that in six years time, the Bush administration failed to properly train the Iraqi army/security forces. But Malaki said they were prepared as I showed you.

    I doubt either one of them are naive. They're politicians! Remember how that works.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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