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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    I can agree with that. If only some weren't working overtime to make is so hard to vote perhaps we'd get a better turnout?
    voting here is so ridiculously easy that even the dead and those legally forbidden from doing so manage it.

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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    should we have removed only saddam and his inner circle of cronies from power and keep the majority of iraq's government intact?
    There are functions of the former regime that should have been entirely cleared out. Others could have been kept. The trick was how to rapidly distinguish between - for example - the guy who joined the Ba'ath Party because it was a requirement to run the city's water systems, and the guy who joined the Ba'ath Party because he liked turning in his neighbors. We had neither the manpower nor the time nor the bandwidth to make those decisions on an individual basis.

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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

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    voting here is so ridiculously easy that even the dead and those legally forbidden from doing so manage it.
    It must be everywhere and damn near uncountable that it's so much. Show me the overwhelming evidence of this apparent epidemic in the U.S.
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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    why did we not keep the large majority of soldiers?
    Quite a few were in fact kept, or brought back. But training for the new army produced all that were needed anyway.
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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Real freedom means the freedom not to care, sigh.
    I'm fine with that. Given the heavy overlap between those who are less likely to vote and those who are less likely to know anything about current events, the Constitution, or politics.

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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Obama doesn't respect the U.S. military and those who wear the uniform, pretty hard to respect your commander when he doesn't respect you.
    A rather bizarre thing to say. The President respects the military enough not to send troops into Iraq without immunity and subject them to a judicial system famed more for meting out revenge rather than justice.

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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    There are functions of the former regime that should have been entirely cleared out. Others could have been kept. The trick was how to rapidly distinguish between - for example - the guy who joined the Ba'ath Party because it was a requirement to run the city's water systems, and the guy who joined the Ba'ath Party because he liked turning in his neighbors. We had neither the manpower nor the time nor the bandwidth to make those decisions on an individual basis.
    why did the administration not have a plan to deal with this situation if it came up?
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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    It must be everywhere and damn near uncountable that it's so much. Show me the overwhelming evidence of this apparent epidemic in the U.S.
    Strawman argument, eh? How astonishing.

    In fact we do get folks such as felons voting all the time - Senator Franken likely owes his seat to such illegal voters.

    As a single example, because it popped up quickly on Google

    ...RALEIGH, N.C. — State elections officials said Wednesday that they're investigating hundreds of cases of voters who appear to have voted in two states and several dozen who appear to have voted after their deaths.....





    Vote Fraud Epidemic? Nah. But enough to easily demonstrate the laughable vacuity of the claim that it is too difficult for those who have the right to to vote in this country? Definitely.

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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    A rather bizarre thing to say. The President respects the military enough not to send troops into Iraq without immunity and subject them to a judicial system famed more for meting out revenge rather than justice.
    Sending American troops into Afghanistan with politically correct rules of engagement that favor the enemy doesn't gain the respect of the troops.

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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    why did the administration not have a plan to deal with this situation if it came up?
    De-Baathification appears to have taken place in a low-communication structure. The decision to send home the Iraqi Army, for example, wasn't coordinated on its way up. Bluntly, the Administration decided (for whatever reason ) to maintain two chains of command, and the result was people working either independent or at odds with one another.

    Basically, they did have a plan - it simply was inadequate to the task. Which admittedly may have been beyond any organization, given the restraints.





    I notice, for example, that Obama only just now got us below 6% unemployment. Why didn't he have a plan to get us there by the fall of 2009?

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