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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    why did we have to remove every member of the bathast party from political office?
    Because they were all complicit in crimes. Why did we remove all Nazis in Germany?
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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Clinton, Gates, Panetta. I'll take their word over yours.
    If you think I am asking to you take my word about anything then you clearly don't understand our conversation or even debate for that matter... which may be why you are willing to take the word of others (debate is not a battle of opinions). Personally I would recommend against taking the word of anyone, unless they have supporting facts/documentation -- which can often be obtained independently, rendering any 'word' at all unnecessary.

    But based on your apparent interpretation of our interaction here it would seem that, rather than 'taking word' you are simply not listening. Given my experience in debating conservatives this would explain a lot of the seemingly aimless, disconnected replies I receive.

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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    If you think I am asking to you take my word about anything then you clearly don't understand our conversation or even debate for that matter... which may be why you are willing to take the word of others. Personally I would recommend against taking the word of anyone, unless they have supporting facts/documentation -- which can often be obtained independently, rendering any 'word' at all unnecessary.

    Based on your apparent interpretation of our interaction here it would seem that, rather than 'taking word' you are simply not listening. Given my experience in debating conservatives this would explain a lot of the seemingly aimless, disconnected replies I receive.
    Since I'm not a conservative your experience is not useful. In a discussion like this I believe in evidence. First person accounts are credible. In my experience lefties tend to create and believe their own mythology when they are passionate. That's why they dislike evidence.
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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    If and maybe and perhaps. But withdrawing the troops from the area and not protecting the incredible gains made by US and Coalition forces is probably the greatest catastrophe in US Military history. The consequences of this action have yet to be fully realized.
    what gains were made on behalf of the Iraqi People? we invaded their country, we toppled their government, we forced them to adopt a new system of government suitable to our expectations, we brought secratarian violence to their country, we dismantled their army, and we have became a occupying force.
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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Because they were all complicit in crimes. Why did we remove all Nazis in Germany?
    And the Godwin rule rears its ugly head again in irrelevant fashion as it usually is.
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    The sad fact is that having a pedophile win is better than having a Democrat in office. I'm all for a solution where a Republican gets in that isn't Moore.

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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    And the Godwin rule rears its ugly head again in irrelevant fashion as it usually is.
    Actually, it was fully in context, and was the historic precedent cited to explain removal of the Baathists. It's not a Godwin example if it's part of the historical record.
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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Actually, it was fully in context, and was the historic precedent cited to explain removal of the Baathists. It's not a Godwin example if it's part of the historical record.
    Nazi's kept records too. Just like you are claiming here... OH NOES!

    Get over yourself and your stupid nazi comparisons.
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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Nazi's kept records too. Just like you are claiming here... OH NOES!

    Get over yourself and your stupid nazi comparisons.
    I'm not the one who brought it up. I was asked why we removed all Baathists from government in Iraq. I answered.
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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    I'm not the one who brought it up. I was asked why we removed all Baathists from government in Iraq. I answered.
    Because the NAZI'S!!!111!!!!!!!11

    Bathists didn't create instability in their country. WWII and the Iraq war... really? I mean... REALLY? Your Godwin comparisons aren't even close to accurate.

    Get over yourself and your stupid nazi comparisons.
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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    what gains were made on behalf of the Iraqi People? we invaded their country, we toppled their government, we forced them to adopt a new system of government suitable to our expectations, we brought secratarian violence to their country, we dismantled their army, and we have became a occupying force.

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