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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    I'll take Panetta's word over yours. Sorry.
    LOL... take whatever you want, it only shows the desperation of your argument. The facts of the issue have already been stated:

    1. Bush's SOFA contained the withdrawal deadline, not anything Obama negotiated.

    2. Iraq refused to agree to a new SOFA that continued routine troop immunity, so that was that. You might be willing to send them into that type of legal minefield, but thankfully Obama was not (I doubt Bush would have either).

    This tack taken by right wing media is not only propaganda, it is simply stupid.

    Also: Iraqi Status of Forces Agreement referendum, 2010 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    As to what Panetta has to say, he's got a book to sell and I don't think this is the first time he's stabbed the administration in the back. Maybe he's right, maybe he's wrong, but at the end of the day he's just giving an opinion based on nothing but his own interpretation, recollection, and version of events. Shoulda/coulda/woulda is not an effective argument.
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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    ISIS seems determined to break down and destroy the entire concept of iraq's nationhood.
    They do, but as long as the Iraqi government and the Iraqi people are willing to fight for their nation and the government that rightly represents them, ISIS will fall.
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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Yes you have. Either that or you are deliberately misleading.

    The video tape is clear, Obama would have been granted immunity IF he had agreed to at least 10,000 troops. He would not. It was Obama's rejection and he made that very clear in the debates when he said he "did not want to get saddled with 10,000 troops. The interview is very specific, pins down the State Department flight attendant/propagandist and catches her lying as well.

    Oh wait....it was on Fox and everyone knows Fox NEVER reports anything that's true, even when it comes out of the mouth of Obama himself.

    carry on..
    So, what you're saying is you would have been okay with a U.S. combat troop strength of 10,000 in Iraq versus the 182,060 troops that were in country at the time according to this GSA report:

    As of June 1, 2008, according to DOD, the United States had 182,060 troops stationed in Iraq — 150,400 active component and 31,660 National Guard or Reserves.
    Just ask yourself if over 180,000 armed U.S. military personnel could not keep sectarian violence at bay in Iraq at its highest troop strength level, how in the world were 10,000 suppose to? But it's not about that is it?

    Troop levels or immunity thereof really isn't the issue for most of you. It's the fact that this President wouldn't give in to your perception of "American leadership" or "American dominance". And yet the one time he stands up in defense of our men and women in uniform, the only thing you people complain about is "he didn't give in to another nation's leader to keep U.S. combat forces in Iraq to help defend their country like we wanted." Whaaah!

    For all the bowing down, giving in and non-support of the military you people claim this President does I'd think that for once you'd be clad he stood up for something.
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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    But that's not something you tell the American people OR THE WORLD in a book. That's something you tell to Congress and the Joint Chiefs either as you're walking out the door or in a closed national security/defense briefing.
    It seems at times someone has to inform the American people when a President has become a national security threat or even Congress like back during the mid and late 1970's when the radical left ("New Left") took control of the Democrat Party and allowed our military to become a hollow force. When Reagan entered the White House it was discovered it was worse that we were told. So it cost the taxpayers hundreds of billions to repair the damage and for over twenty years we listen to progressive liberal complaining about Reagan's spending until Obama became President. You don't hear the left complaining about Reagan's spending any more do you ? And Reagan had something to show for it.

    Every month all units with in the military are rated in combat readiness, C-1 to C-5, C-1 being combat ready to be deployed into combat and C-5 being the worst, comparable to the Mongolian Navy which doesn't have a navy. These combat readiness classifications are usually classified for two years.

    But when you have a CnC (Obama) who is derelict in his duties as CnC, who has allowed our military to deteriorate as a fighting force, morale plummet, using the military for social engineering, some times a general or admiral has to buck the system. General Billy Mitchel did it and so did Brig. Gen. Evans F. Carlson, USMC (1st Marine Raiders fame)

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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    It seems at times someone has to inform the American people when a President has become a national security threat or even Congress like back during the mid and late 1970's when the radical left ("New Left") took control of the Democrat Party and allowed our military to become a hollow force. When Reagan entered the White House it was discovered it was worse that we were told. So it cost the taxpayers hundreds of billions to repair the damage and for over twenty years we listen to progressive liberal complaining about Reagan's spending until Obama became President. You don't hear the left complaining about Reagan's spending any more do you ? And Reagan had something to show for it.

    Every month all units with in the military are rated in combat readiness, C-1 to C-5, C-1 being combat ready to be deployed into combat and C-5 being the worst, comparable to the Mongolian Navy which doesn't have a navy. These combat readiness classifications are usually classified for two years.

    But when you have a CnC (Obama) who is derelict in his duties as CnC, who has allowed our military to deteriorate as a fighting force, morale plummet, using the military for social engineering, some times a general or admiral has to buck the system. General Billy Mitchel did it and so did Brig. Gen. Evans F. Carlson, USMC (1st Marine Raiders fame)
    That's you falling behind freedom of speech believing that it's perfectly fine for these people to say whatever they want once they leave office never once stopping to think of the damage they may cause by "spilling the beans" about their former boss while said boss is still running the country.

    There was once a time when men of honor showed respect for the presidency. Where have those days gone?
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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    They do, but as long as the Iraqi government and the Iraqi people are willing to fight for their nation and the government that rightly represents them, ISIS will fall.
    You figures the odds are on the side of the Iraqis?

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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You figures the odds are on the side of the Iraqis?
    The odds are always on the side of those who are willing to fight for what is rightfully theirs. But therein lay the key: They have to be willing to stand up and fight for themselves.

    We were right to arm them and train them, but at some point they have to stand up and fight for themselves.
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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    That's you falling behind freedom of speech believing that it's perfectly fine for these people to say whatever they want once they leave office never once stopping to think of the damage they may cause by "spilling the beans" about their former boss while said boss is still running the country.

    There was once a time when men of honor showed respect for the presidency. Where have those days gone?
    Gen. MacArthur, Gen. Carlson, Gen. Billy Mitchell.

    Obama doesn't respect the U.S. military and those who wear the uniform, pretty hard to respect your commander when he doesn't respect you.

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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    The odds are always on the side of those who are willing to fight for what is rightfully theirs.
    Really? Do you have any facts to support this point of view?

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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Gen. MacArthur, Gen. Carlson, Gen. Billy Mitchell.

    Obama doesn't respect the U.S. military and those who wear the uniform, pretty hard to respect your commander when he doesn't respect you.
    general Douglas MacArthur was considered by the u.s navy brass to be unhinged megalomaniac with a corn cob pipe.
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