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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    No, we don't because the SOFA Bush negotiated required COMPLETE withdrawal by December 31, 2011!!!!!
    It is truly amazing that despite all the information available that there are still those too stubborn to understand that SOFA agreements are often designed to end in a successors term in case changes want to be made. The important gain was getting the first SOFA agreement as a precedent for successive Presidents, and Iraqi leaders, to follow.

    Of course Obama had no intention of following any SOFA agreement and said so. His plan was always to 'bring the troops home' whther Iraq was stable or not. As it was he insisted it was 'stable', and a 'great achievement'.

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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    March 18, 2013
    On 10th Anniversary, 53% in U.S. See Iraq War as Mistake
    Republicans most likely to say conflict was not a mistake
    by Andrew Dugan

    On 10th Anniversary, 53% in U.S. See Iraq War as Mistake
    So what? These are the same people who voted for Barrack Obama? Are you saying that foreign policy should be decided by public polling??

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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Obama made no such mistake! It was consistent with both the will of the American people and George Bush's negotiated SOFA. But we agree that the troops died in Iraq in vain.
    Since when does 'the will of the American people' guide foreign policy? They usually don't understand a thing except 'war is bad', and it must be explained what the long term consequence of what any decision might be. That's what leadership is intended to do.

    Again it's clear you know nothing about SOFA and shouldn't even be using the term.

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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Then you would have to concede that the majority of Americans will means nothing, and that Bush's SOFA to withdraw all troops by December 31, 2011 was a mistake.
    How do you get that from what the man said? You keep making the same silly errors in fact repeatedly.

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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    People like you who continue to politicize it, are exactly the problem. This is why we have retreated back to the US both times is because of mindless propaganda of the likes of which you have just spouted. It's quite easy to use propaganda on a wholey ignorant society more interested in reality shows and Football. American's, I have come to realize, are as deep as the cheap gold plating on the bling they wear. If you have any time to do any actual REAL STUDYING of the situation instead of taking what you hear from political pundits on TV as fact, then you will realize that what you just said is about as ignorant as you can be on the situation.
    This guy, a fan of Saddam Hussein, is consistently wrong on everything he posts and yet feels his voice should be heard in the running of US foreign policy. It's that odd mix of arrogance and ignorance that we have become so familiar with over recent decades. Like listening to the OWS protesters 24 hours a days.

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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Vern View Post
    Jack, that "valid" agreement required all troops out of Iraq at the end of 2011. That valid agreement also required we get Iraqi permission before troops left the base. Iraq did not want our troops. If they wanted our troops there then they would have said it publicly and given our troops immunity. Just say "President Obama should have caved on the immunity demand."
    It was all negotiable and an agreement with immunity was possible, as Panetta points out.
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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    No tyranny from the Islamic State. And your in the minority. Increasingly Americans view the Iraq war and removing Hussein as a mistake.

    February 19, 2014
    More Americans Now View Afghanistan War as a Mistake
    Republicans most likely to say the war was not a mistake. Bolded typical!!!
    by Frank Newport

    More Americans Now View Afghanistan War as a Mistake

    March 18, 2013
    On 10th Anniversary, 53% in U.S. See Iraq War as Mistake
    Republicans most likely to say conflict was not a mistake
    by Andrew Dugan

    On 10th Anniversary, 53% in U.S. See Iraq War as Mistake
    "If they were right then one would be enough." --Albert Einstein
    "It's always reassuring to find you've made the right enemies." -- William J. Donovan

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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    We'll president Clinton agrees with me that Hans Blix was doing a fine job at not finding any WMD, and should have been allowed to complete his job. But of course he would have found nothing, the impetus for war would be gone and BushCo wouldn't have had their war. SO.................had the right thing been done to begin with, then once again, we wouldn't be talking about SOFA, and wringing our hands over the menacing Islamic State, Bush's war, and the removal of Hussein, a colossal failure, now acknowledged by most Americans, too!

    "In terms of the launching of the war, I believe we made an error in not allowing the United Nations to complete the inspections process.

    Clinton's Fight Against Terrorism - CBS News
    All of which is entirely irrelevant to the matter under discussion.
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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    It was all negotiable and an agreement with immunity was possible, as Panetta points out.
    er uh Jack, where did Panetta point out that an "agreement with immunity was possible" because I didn't see it. I did see where "Iraqi officials" could only privately say they wanted troops to stay. If they wanted troops to stay they would have said it publicly. why do you think they could say it privately? because Iraqis wanted us out of their country. Does panetta mention that?

    Anyhoo, bush's sofa and Iraq's refusal to allow immunity tied President Obama's hands.
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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Vern View Post
    er uh Jack, where did Panetta point out that an "agreement with immunity was possible" because I didn't see it. I did see where "Iraqi officials" could only privately say they wanted troops to stay. If they wanted troops to stay they would have said it publicly. why do you think they could say it privately? because Iraqis wanted us out of their country. Does panetta mention that?

    Anyhoo, bush's sofa and Iraq's refusal to allow immunity tied President Obama's hands.
    GWB's SOFA gave BHO a free hand, and he chose not to engage.
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