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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Yep, it's all about oil, not democracy, not human rights!
    People like you who continue to politicize it, are exactly the problem. This is why we have retreated back to the US both times is because of mindless propaganda of the likes of which you have just spouted. It's quite easy to use propaganda on a wholey ignorant society more interested in reality shows and Football. American's, I have come to realize, are as deep as the cheap gold plating on the bling they wear. If you have any time to do any actual REAL STUDYING of the situation instead of taking what you hear from political pundits on TV as fact, then you will realize that what you just said is about as ignorant as you can be on the situation.
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    - Idealistically, everything should work as you planed it to. Realistically, it depends on how idealistic you are as to the measure of success.
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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    People like you who continue to politicize it, are exactly the problem. This is why we have retreated back to the US both times is because of mindless propaganda of the likes of which you have just spouted. It's quite easy to use propaganda on a wholey ignorant society more interested in reality shows and Football. American's, I have come to realize, are as deep as the cheap gold plating on the bling they wear. If you have any time to do any actual REAL STUDYING of the situation instead of taking what you hear from political pundits on TV as fact, then you will realize that what you just said is about as ignorant as you can be on the situation.
    Your personal attacks aside.

    People say we're not fighting for oil. Of course we are. They talk about America's national interest. What the hell do you think they're talking about? We're not there for figs.

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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Your personal attacks aside.

    People say we're not fighting for oil. Of course we are. They talk about America's national interest. What the hell do you think they're talking about? We're not there for figs.

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    Yes, we are fighting for oil, but we are also fighting to free the people from the extremists. I think your inability to understand that a free society will ultimately be economically advantageous to the US. So the argument that oil is the only reason for war, is ignorant. The biggest economic gains America made was soon after WW2 and the Korean war. When the US liberated both Japan and Korea from their rulers and turned them into capitalistic countries that had strong ties with the US, we gained a lot. If we were able to remove the control of the leaders in the ME who are effectively stopping any progress of civilization there, then the ME and the US will profit greatly. All you have to do is pick up a history book and see how we transformed Japan and Korea after their respective wars with us and you will see the obvious advantage of transforming a government from a dictatorship type rule, to our system and then forming strong economic ties with it.
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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    And it is in history books that you will also find there is quite a bit of untapped intelligence in the Middle East that is stifled due to religious extreamism. All one has to do is look at a time when the Middle East was free from it. They invented Algebra, named most of the stars and were leading on almost every scientific front that existed at the time. There is a lot of untapped potential in the Middle East that if freed will greatly contribute to humanity. These are not trivial talking points, its HISTORY!!! Of which most Americans are completely ignorant of.
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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I always thought he was a pretty square shooter. Its great to see and Obama surrogate tell the truth for once.

    Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq | Fox News

    October 2 2014

    Former Defense Secretary Leon Panetta is lashing out at President Obama’s inner circle for failing to secure a 2011 deal to leave U.S. troops in Iraq, effectively accusing the White House of sabotaging the talks – in turn, opening the door for the region to become a haven for the Islamic State.
    Panetta, who served as CIA director and then Defense secretary during those negotiations, aired his complaints in his forthcoming memoir, “Worthy Fights.” Excerpts on the Baghdad talks were published by Time.
    This pretty much puts the nail in the coffin WRT this administration's failure at gaining the status of forces agreement. That failure is exactly why the US troop pullout happened, and the resulting raise and gains that ISIS / ISIL has made.

    Yes, this ISIS / ISIL raise and gain are squarely on this president's head, and his failed administration's head, regardless of their trying to blame shift it to Maliki.

    I wonder how much money, and how many combat troops lives this Obama and administration failure will cost in the long run.
    Disinformation campaign? The Russian collusion meme pushed by the 'news' media, behaving as a political propaganda organ, hell bent to destroy a legitimately elected president to implement his agenda per the votes of the same electorate. Reference The Big Lie Reference Goebbels

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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Then you would have to concede that the majority of Americans will means nothing, and that Bush's SOFA to withdraw all troops by December 31, 2011 was a mistake.
    First of all, Im not defending Bush nor the Iraq war or the Sofa agreement signed by Bush. Bush isn't president. Bush was no longer president when the SOFA expired. Obama was president and once he was sworn in, Iraq and the SOFA and everything else that comes with the job of president became HIS responsibility. He didn't do a very good job and could easily be argued to have made matter worse. Second, we don't elect a president to follow the will of the majority. He is elected to lead. And in that regard Obama has performed poorly as well.

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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    There was no need for talks. We should have just built two bases. One on the border of Syria and another on the border of Iran, and none of this crap would be happening today and our allies would have our support there in an instant. Why anyone feels that had to be negotiated is beyond me. 4,000 died for that right, many more bled and we just walked out for the loser in charges political joy.


    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I always thought he was a pretty square shooter. Its great to see and Obama surrogate tell the truth for once.

    Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq | Fox News

    October 2 2014

    Former Defense Secretary Leon Panetta is lashing out at President Obama’s inner circle for failing to secure a 2011 deal to leave U.S. troops in Iraq, effectively accusing the White House of sabotaging the talks – in turn, opening the door for the region to become a haven for the Islamic State.
    Panetta, who served as CIA director and then Defense secretary during those negotiations, aired his complaints in his forthcoming memoir, “Worthy Fights.” Excerpts on the Baghdad talks were published by Time.

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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Your personal attacks aside.

    People say we're not fighting for oil. Of course we are. They talk about America's national interest. What the hell do you think they're talking about? We're not there for figs.

    Chuck Hagel

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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    . Second, we don't elect a president to follow the will of the majority. He is elected to lead. .
    er uh your opinion is required in the Obamacare forum. Anyhoo, Iraq not wanting US troops and refusing to give US troops immunity is not President Obama's responsibility. Thank goodness as a leader he didn't let the inevitable and incessant lies from the right about Iraq stop him from making the right decisions. I guess maliki just assumed he would be as weak willed and easy to manipulate as Bush. He was wrong.
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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Even allowing for Panetta's loyalty to Hillary and all things Clinton, it doesn't detract from what he, and others, have said about the matter.

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