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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    And Obama had 2 years to negotiate a new agreement. He didn't get that done mainly because he didn't want to get that done. Ask yourself this question: Had McCain won in 2008, do you think we would have kept troops in Iraq?
    Well first of all, THANK GAWD he didn't, and secondly, only if he wanted to **** can Bush's SOFA. And third, as a side, he would have scrapped Bush's SOFA and kept troops in Iraq and used it as a base to "bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran"!
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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
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    On 10th Anniversary, 53% in U.S. See Iraq War as Mistake
    Republicans most likely to say conflict was not a mistake
    by Andrew Dugan

    On 10th Anniversary, 53% in U.S. See Iraq War as Mistake
    Even if you grant that it was a mistake, Obama compounded that mistake by pulling out too early. The US military had succeeded in pacifying the country. A residual force would have offered protection and continued American influence. As it stands now, Iraq was a complete mistake because every US soldier that died taking Falluja and Ramadi and Mosul died in vain because those cities and many more have been retaken by the forces they defeated.

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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Leon Panetta just like Robert Gates are long time "yes men" in government. But they do their jobs and didn't allowed themselves to become politicized no matter who's administration they worked for.

    But Panetta and Gates are the only two competent appointees that Obama ever made to serve in his failed administration during the past six years and nine months.

    I'm sure Panetta is going out of his way trying to be kind towards Obama just like Gates did in his book.
    Robert Gates happily serving as the president of a university when he was called back to D.C. to again serve his country.

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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Well first of all, THANK GAWD he didn't, and secondly, only if he wanted to **** can Bush's SOFA. And third, as a side, he would have scrapped Bush's SOFA and kept troops in Iraq and used it as a base to "bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran"!
    So, you agree then that McCain would have left troops there. That means Obamas attempt to blame Maliki for us leaving is a lie. Obama wanted US troops out. Obama ran on pulling US troops out. Obama bragged about pulling US troops out. Now that things have gone badly, Obama blames Maliki.

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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Even if you grant that it was a mistake, Obama compounded that mistake by pulling out too early. The US military had succeeded in pacifying the country. A residual force would have offered protection and continued American influence. As it stands now, Iraq was a complete mistake because every US soldier that died taking Falluja and Ramadi and Mosul died in vain because those cities and many more have been retaken by the forces they defeated.
    Obama made no such mistake! It was consistent with both the will of the American people and George Bush's negotiated SOFA. But we agree that the troops died in Iraq in vain.
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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    So, you agree then that McCain would have left troops there. That means Obamas attempt to blame Maliki for us leaving is a lie. Obama wanted US troops out. Obama ran on pulling US troops out. Obama bragged about pulling US troops out. Now that things have gone badly, Obama blames Maliki.
    I think that McCain would have scrapped Bush's SOFA, and proven that Iraq was not in fact a sovereign country, would have left troops and attacked at least Iran from our bases there. Again, thank gawd, he isn't and never will be president.
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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Obama made no such mistake! It was consistent with both the will of the American people and George Bush's negotiated SOFA. But we agree that the troops died in Iraq in vain.
    They died in vain because the gains they fought for were not secured by Obama. It was a mistake to leave no forces there. That really isn't arguable at this point.

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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    I am so fed up with American's when it comes to this that I could literally throw up all over my computer. CAN WE MAKE UP OUR DAMN MINDS!!! Come on people!!! What I mean is, we were all for invading Iraq and all agreed it was the right thing to do, not once, but TWICE! At least until combat commenced. It really is telling when you take a look at the publics reaction to war today that most people HAVE NEVER PICKED UP A HISTORY BOOK IN THEIR LIFE! What do they expect war to be? We go to war, take a few casualties, and all the sudden, a war people overwhelmingly supported for good reason, suddenly becomes political fodder to oust anyone supporting it. WE DID THIS NOT ONCE, BUT TWICE!!!!! Now we are about to do it A THRID TIME!!! I fear that those same IDIOTS who have never read a history book are probably so ignorant of history, they DONT EVEN KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE PREVIOUS TWO ATTEMPTS which just happened recently. Are we really going to do this again, I mean really!!! There are only two ways to handle the Middle East. Both, would be equally unacceptable by the American public. So I have determined that either way, we are going to lose again. The two responses are, stay out of it completely and allow China and Russia to handle it. Which would be catastrophic, as we still heavily rely on ME oil. Or, we send in 500-750k troops into Iraq and DO WHAT WE SHOULD HAVE DONE back in the early 90's and completely occupy Iraq. Then use it as a forward operating location to eliminate the Middle East of extremist leaders and governments. Again, neither will happen, and all that will happen is the status quo will be maintained. While at the same time, US service members lives will be sacrificed in the name of pretty much nothing at all.
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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    They died in vain because the gains they fought for were not secured by Obama. It was a mistake to leave no forces there. That really isn't arguable at this point.
    Then you would have to concede that the majority of Americans will means nothing, and that Bush's SOFA to withdraw all troops by December 31, 2011 was a mistake.
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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    I am so fed up with American's when it comes to this that I could literally throw up all over my computer. CAN WE MAKE UP OUR DAMN MINDS!!! Come on people!!! What I mean is, we were all for invading Iraq and all agreed it was the right thing to do, not once, but TWICE! At least until combat commenced. It really is telling when you take a look at the publics reaction to war today that most people HAVE NEVER PICKED UP A HISTORY BOOK IN THEIR LIFE! What do they expect war to be? We go to war, take a few casualties, and all the sudden, a war people overwhelmingly supported for good reason, suddenly becomes political fodder to oust anyone supporting it. WE DID THIS NOT ONCE, BUT TWICE!!!!! Now we are about to do it A THRID TIME!!! I fear that those same IDIOTS who have never read a history book are probably so ignorant of history, they DONT EVEN KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE PREVIOUS TWO ATTEMPTS which just happened recently. Are we really going to do this again, I mean really!!! There are only two ways to handle the Middle East. Both, would be equally unacceptable by the American public. So I have determined that either way, we are going to lose again. The two responses are, stay out of it completely and allow China and Russia to handle it. Which would be catastrophic, as we still heavily rely on ME oil. Or, we send in 500-750k troops into Iraq and DO WHAT WE SHOULD HAVE DONE back in the early 90's and completely occupy Iraq. Then use it as a forward operating location to eliminate the Middle East of extremist leaders and governments. Again, neither will happen, and all that will happen is the status quo will be maintained. While at the same time, US service members lives will be sacrificed in the name of pretty much nothing at all.
    Yep, it's all about oil, not democracy, not human rights!
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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