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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    That could be part of the problem.
    That's the problem, it's been the problem with Obama since day one back in January of 2009.

    Obama has ignored the Republicans in Congress, has ignored his military advisers, has ignored the intelligence community and only listens to the radical leftist he has surrounded himself with.

    If Obama were have surrounded himself with competent people, his administration wouldn't be the worst administration in history. All of his executive appointments are affirmative action appointments who had a political social engineering activist PC agenda.

    Every thing with Obama is political.

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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Not too often you get posters favoring genocidal dictators and mass murderers like Saddam Hussein.
    uh oh, Grant has climbed back up on his genocide high horse. Grant, Reagan supported Saddam's genocide. I find it funny you still want to hit people over the head with the "genocide" narrative but cant acknowledge Reagan actively supporting genocide. Serious question. Is gaddaffi a "genocidal dictators "?
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    What proof is there Qaddafi ordered or financed that bombing? ......Qaddafi had the integrity to fight with his military. I don't believe he used terrorists.
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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    I'm indifferent to what you believe or don't believe. The GWB administration made the agreement valid until 2011 so GWB's successor could design his own plan.
    Jack, that "valid" agreement required all troops out of Iraq at the end of 2011. That valid agreement also required we get Iraqi permission before troops left the base. Iraq did not want our troops. If they wanted our troops there then they would have said it publicly and given our troops immunity. Just say "President Obama should have caved on the immunity demand."
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    What proof is there Qaddafi ordered or financed that bombing? ......Qaddafi had the integrity to fight with his military. I don't believe he used terrorists.
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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Certainly Panetta is free to voice his opinion. He's positioned to have a well-informed one.

    It could be that leaving 10,000 troops in Iraq may have forestalled the rise of ISIS in Iraq. We'll never know.

    But then what? How long are we going to be the lynchpin in Iraq's national defense?

    How will we know when it's safe to leave? What's to prevent the terrorists from (again) fading into the background, setting up IUDs and small ambushes to generate a steady drip of casualties, and wait us out?

    When this adventure was pitched to the U.S. public way back in 2001-02, it was "weeks, not months," and now it's '"for as long as it takes."

    What do we (the U.S.) get out of this?

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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    I'd rather be on the side of liberation from tyranny.

    "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat." --Theodore Roosevelt
    No tyranny from the Islamic State. And your in the minority. Increasingly Americans view the Iraq war and removing Hussein as a mistake.

    February 19, 2014
    More Americans Now View Afghanistan War as a Mistake
    Republicans most likely to say the war was not a mistake. Bolded typical!!!
    by Frank Newport

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/167471/am...r-mistake.aspx

    March 18, 2013
    On 10th Anniversary, 53% in U.S. See Iraq War as Mistake
    Republicans most likely to say conflict was not a mistake
    by Andrew Dugan

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/161399/10...r-mistake.aspx
    Last edited by Montecresto; 10-04-14 at 09:38 AM.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    That's the problem, it's been the problem with Obama since day one back in January of 2009.

    Obama has ignored the Republicans in Congress, has ignored his military advisers, has ignored the intelligence community and only listens to the radical leftist he has surrounded himself with.

    If Obama were have surrounded himself with competent people, his administration wouldn't be the worst administration in history. All of his executive appointments are affirmative action appointments who had a political social engineering activist PC agenda.

    Every thing with Obama is political.
    He's a politician, of course everything is political, the same was true of Bush, Clinton, etc.

    Why listen to the intelligence community?

    Many in the intelligence community expressed sincere regret over the flawed predictions about Iraqi weapons programs. Testifying before Congress in January 2004, David Kay, the original director of the Iraq Survey Group, said unequivocally that "It turns out that we were all wrong, probably in my judgment, and that is most disturbing."[70] He later added in an interview that the intelligence community owed the President an apology.[71]

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratio...r_the_Iraq_War
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    That is the point. Do we now have troops there? what happened to the SOFA?
    No, we don't because the SOFA Bush negotiated required COMPLETE withdrawal by December 31, 2011!!!!!
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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    I have no party. Panetta's words are powerful because it is well known that others (Clinton, Petreaus, Gates, etc.) shared his view.
    We'll president Clinton agrees with me that Hans Blix was doing a fine job at not finding any WMD, and should have been allowed to complete his job. But of course he would have found nothing, the impetus for war would be gone and BushCo wouldn't have had their war. SO.................had the right thing been done to begin with, then once again, we wouldn't be talking about SOFA, and wringing our hands over the menacing Islamic State, Bush's war, and the removal of Hussein, a colossal failure, now acknowledged by most Americans, too!

    "In terms of the launching of the war, I believe we made an error in not allowing the United Nations to complete the inspections process.

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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    No, we don't because the SOFA Bush negotiated required COMPLETE withdrawal by December 31, 2011!!!!!
    And Obama had 2 years to negotiate a new agreement. He didn't get that done mainly because he didn't want to get that done. Ask yourself this question: Had McCain won in 2008, do you think we would have kept troops in Iraq?

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    Re: Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Not too often you get posters favoring genocidal dictators and mass murderers like Saddam Hussein. Would you also have attended the 'rape rooms'?

    The Iraqi courts didn't agree with your positive assessment of Saddam or his family and they feel justice was better served with his demise. It must have ruined your day, huh?

    March 18, 2013
    On 10th Anniversary, 53% in U.S. See Iraq War as Mistake
    Republicans most likely to say conflict was not a mistake
    by Andrew Dugan

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/161399/10...r-mistake.aspx
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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