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Gay marriage, once inconceivable, now appears inevitable

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As the Supreme Court prepares to decide the future of same-sex marriage--an institution described as "newer than cellphones or the internet by one justice last year--two things are clear.
Despite this year's breathtaking string of lower court victories, the battle for marriage equality hasn't been swift or easy. To the lawyers who devised the legal strategy decades ago, the journey has been arduous, the setbacks plentiful, and the battle scars deep.

And even after the high court rules--most likely striking down state bans on gay marriage at the end of its term in June--the fight won't be over. Another clash looms over the issue of religious freedom.

Read the article here: Gay marriage, once inconceivable, now appears inevitable

It looks like this battle has reached an important point.I don't believe that the 1st Amendment will stop this from happening.

Churches will be able to do what they want to do, but businesses will have to obey the law whether they like it or not.
 
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The authoritarianism in your post is revolting.

I believe that was more of a prediction than an order.

OK, now that the issue of gay marriage has been settled, maybe the country can move ahead on less pressing issues, like ISIS, income inequality, unemployment, health care, illegal immigration, you know, all of those minor issues we're facing.
 
The authoritarianism in your post is revolting.

Forcing people to behave against their religious beliefs,when they are doing nobody physical harm is revolting, certainly.
 
This is not "authoritarianism"

It is hard to see how the government can be allowed to force people to act against their religious beliefs just so other people feel better.
 
If you think that businesses will not have to obey the law I predict that you will be disappointed.

But go ahead and dream.

I can't fathom the American constitution forcing people to break their religious beliefs.
 
It is hard to see how the government can be allowed to force people to act against their religious beliefs just so other people feel better.

Where in the bible does it say you are forbidden to make cupcakes for a wedding?
 
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I've proposed a compromise for a number of years...

1. Pass Same-sex Civil Marriage.

2. Repeal Public Accommodation laws that apply to private businesses​




Same Sex Couple get Civil Marriages. Businesses are not required to provide goods and services to anyone they don't want to. Public Accommodation laws would only apply to government entities and would restrict the ability of government entities to contract with or provide funds to private organizations which have a discriminatory business model.



It's a win/win.



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If you think that businesses will not have to obey the law I predict that you will be disappointed.

But go ahead and dream. I don't have a problem with that.

I was about to say if you don't like freedom and property rights you should move to Europe.

Nevermind.
 
As the Supreme Court prepares to decide the future of same-sex marriage--an institution described as "newer than cellphones or the internet by one justice last year--two things are clear.
Despite this year's breathtaking string of lower court victories, the battle for marriage equality hasn't been swift or easy. To the lawyers who devised the legal strategy decades ago, the journey has been arduous, the setbacks plentiful, and the battle scars deep.

And even after the high court rules--most likely striking down state bans on gay marriage at the end of its term in June--the fight won't be over. Another clash looms over the issue of religious freedom.

Read the article here: Gay marriage, once inconceivable, now appears inevitable

It looks like this battle has reached an important point.I don't believe that the 1st Amendment will stop this from happening.

Churches will be able to do what they want to do, but businesses will have to obey the law whether they like it or not.

I agree especially with the last sentence. Businesses and government will have to recognize same sex marriage. Churches can do as they please. About the only way I see a conflict is if a gay couple tried to make a Church recognize their marriage or perform the marriage vows. In this case I believe the 1st amendment will take precedence and the church or pastor or father or preacher should not be made to perform the ceremony if they so object.

Outside of that I can foresee no problem.
 
As the Supreme Court prepares to decide the future of same-sex marriage--an institution described as "newer than cellphones or the internet by one justice last year--two things are clear.
Despite this year's breathtaking string of lower court victories, the battle for marriage equality hasn't been swift or easy. To the lawyers who devised the legal strategy decades ago, the journey has been arduous, the setbacks plentiful, and the battle scars deep.

And even after the high court rules--most likely striking down state bans on gay marriage at the end of its term in June--the fight won't be over. Another clash looms over the issue of religious freedom.

Read the article here: Gay marriage, once inconceivable, now appears inevitable

It looks like this battle has reached an important point.I don't believe that the 1st Amendment will stop this from happening.

Churches will be able to do what they want to do, but businesses will have to obey the law whether they like it or not.




Yes, inevitable is correct. It has been in place in Canada nationally for 15 years now and it ain't going anywhere. It has been in place in many places in Europe a lot longer that.

The SCOTUS should save Americans a decade now and also look at transgendered weddings as that's next.

No where are churches forced to perform weddings and I know of no gays who want that. Occasionally some spoiled brats go ape**** because someone refuses to decorate their cake the way they want it, but fewer and fewer people give a ****.

As the man says, you have ISIS at your back door, Al Qaeda at the side door and Putin huffing and puffing. You still have far too many people without medical coverage, a terrible economy, and the highest incarceration rate in the industrialized world along with a corrupt educational system that doesn't allow you to fire coke addled teachers.

You have a president consistently telling lies and now running a war in a highly questionable manner, a stalled congress and declining trust in government as a whole.


I would humbly suggest the gay marriage issue needs to be buried for good.
 
Yes, inevitable is correct. It has been in place in Canada nationally for 15 years now and it ain't going anywhere. It has been in place in many places in Europe a lot longer that.

The SCOTUS should save Americans a decade now and also look at transgendered weddings as that's next.

No where are churches forced to perform weddings and I know of no gays who want that. Occasionally some spoiled brats go ape**** because someone refuses to decorate their cake the way they want it, but fewer and fewer people give a ****.

As the man says, you have ISIS at your back door, Al Qaeda at the side door and Putin huffing and puffing. You still have far too many people without medical coverage, a terrible economy, and the highest incarceration rate in the industrialized world along with a corrupt educational system that doesn't allow you to fire coke addled teachers.

You have a president consistently telling lies and now running a war in a highly questionable manner, a stalled congress and declining trust in government as a whole.


I would humbly suggest the gay marriage issue needs to be buried for good.


Let's file the issue under W for Who gives a rip! and then move on to the real issues.
 
I agree especially with the last sentence. Businesses and government will have to recognize same sex marriage. Churches can do as they please. About the only way I see a conflict is if a gay couple tried to make a Church recognize their marriage or perform the marriage vows. In this case I believe the 1st amendment will take precedence and the church or pastor or father or preacher should not be made to perform the ceremony if they so object.

Outside of that I can foresee no problem.



The international standard has become that no one can force a church or an individual pastor to recognize nor officially wed same sex couples. The issue here is settled as well in the commercial arena. If the rejection is on religious grounds or there are no other alternatives the service can be denied.

Sometimes you just have to sit back and let society itself figure out what's 'fair'.
 
I was about to say if you don't like freedom and property rights you should move to Europe.

Nevermind.



I live in Europe and we have freedom and property rights.




"Tolerance is giving to every other human being every right that you claim for yourself." ~ Robert Green Ingersoll
 
The international standard has become that no one can force a church or an individual pastor to recognize nor officially wed same sex couples. The issue here is settled as well in the commercial arena. If the rejection is on religious grounds or there are no other alternatives the service can be denied.

Sometimes you just have to sit back and let society itself figure out what's 'fair'.

Sometimes society has to be shoved with a bulldozer. As far as marriage goes, there are always alternative sources and services besides churches.
 
I live in Europe and we have freedom and property rights.




"Tolerance is giving to every other human being every right that you claim for yourself." ~ Robert Green Ingersoll

Whereby various countries have sometimes somewhat odd'ly defined ie interpreted property rights and sometimes parculiar ideas of freedom
 
I can't fathom the American constitution forcing people to break their religious beliefs.

Then maybe those people shouldn't have such asinine religious beliefs?
 
Well now........I guess we can look forward to legalized polygamy now......
 
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