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Gay marriage, once inconceivable, now appears inevitable

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I'll bring the cake you bring the ice cold milk to go with it.



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Damn it! Now my mouth is uncontrollably watering.
 
Let the market weed out those who don't want to support same sex marriage. Public outcry is more powerful than any government mandate. No company will willingly hold anti-gay views publicly because it will destroy their business. And if they want to run that risk, who's to stop them.
 
Let the market weed out those who don't want to support same sex marriage. Public outcry is more powerful than any government mandate. No company will willingly hold anti-gay views publicly because it will destroy their business. And if they want to run that risk, who's to stop them.

That's kind of what I was implying when I suggested that they freely post their opinions in their businesses/storefronts.

It would be interesting.
 
That's kind of what I was implying when I suggested that they freely post their opinions in their businesses/storefronts.

It would be interesting.

I think it would be a travesty if all Americans were forced by the government to accept all consumers even if they do not match up with their beliefs. I am the strongest supporter of gay marriage, but to look the other way in regards to the first amendment, it would be appalling.
 
Which federal law establishes that right?

There are federal public accommodation laws. 1964 civil rights act, for instance. ADA is the other main example I can think of.
 
There are federal public accommodation laws. 1964 civil rights act, for instance. ADA is the other main example I can think of.
Yes, thank you. I think I misinterpreted your earlier post.
 
I think it would be a travesty if all Americans were forced by the government to accept all consumers even if they do not match up with their beliefs. I am the strongest supporter of gay marriage, but to look the other way in regards to the first amendment, it would be appalling.

I think that is a misreading. You don't have to support something to take their money. Nor does serving them mean you can't say what you think. I see no connection at all to the first amendment.
 
I think it would be a travesty if all Americans were forced by the government to accept all consumers even if they do not match up with their beliefs. I am the strongest supporter of gay marriage, but to look the other way in regards to the first amendment, it would be appalling.
Laws that prohibit businesses open to the public from refusing to serve blacks or refusing services to Jews or gays does nothing to violate the first Amendment. People still have their first amendment rights to say whatever they choose. They just don't have the right to deny service. That is not something that the First Amendment was ever intended to address.
 
So I am reposting this because (I didnt see an answer and) after all the discussion, I'm still unclear.

Not trying to muckrake, I'd just like to know. I think if business owner did so, they'd find their business burned to the ground but that is because that's my perception of the KKK. Not sure if that's accurate but I believe that's the undercurrent still, if not on the surface.

Edit: Taylor may just have alluded to it in post 202.
Difficult to answer because whether or not you can kick them out really depends on where you live. Although the KKK would not be part of a protected class in the majority of states, most states have also prohibited discrimination if it is deemed arbitrary (you're not likely to get away with a "No Gingers Allowed" policy). Thus, if you kick someone out, you usually need to have a defensible business interest for doing so. If they're making other customers uncomfortable, hopefully that's reason enough.
 
Difficult to answer because whether or not you can kick them out really depends on where you live. Although the KKK would not be part of a protected class in the majority of states, most states have also prohibited discrimination if it is deemed arbitrary (you're not likely to get away with a "No Gingers Allowed" policy). Thus, if you kick someone out, you usually need to have a defensible business interest for doing so. If they're making other customers uncomfortable, hopefully that's reason enough.

What laws cover that?
 
So World Watcher and I responded to your questions, and you got rather abstract (unclear references to a song). It seems that businesses could express their beliefs and still not refuse service and discriminate.

My main point, in case it was lost, was that this alone might solve the business's issues with having to serve the demographic that they object to. They should not be ashamed to do so, correct?

I really do not have the slightest idea what you are saying.
 
I really do not have the slightest idea what you are saying.

Really? What specifically is confusing? I gave all the context I thought necessary in post 214.
 
Really? What specifically is confusing? I gave all the context I thought necessary in post 214.

Maybe you did. But you read my reaction. If you want to rephrase it I'll read it. But as it stands, it's too confused for me to want to guess what you want to say.
 
I believe that was more of a prediction than an order.

OK, now that the issue of gay marriage has been settled, maybe the country can move ahead on less pressing issues, like ISIS, income inequality, unemployment, health care, illegal immigration, you know, all of those minor issues we're facing.

Right the **** on.
 
What laws cover that?

Public accommodation laws. They vary by state. But generally revolve around characteristics people have no control over.
 
What laws cover that?
Very hard to say because each state organizes things differently. Many states added public accommodations statutes following the Federal action, but others may have older, relevant statutes elsewhere. There may also be local ordinances that wouldn't appear in the state statutes, and the function of the law might differ from what you would expect just by reading the statutes, in which case you'd have to look at case law. It's very messy, which is why it is often difficult to find convienent 50-state summaries that explain how some aspect of the law works in each state (and like a science textbook, by the time you get one completed, it is often already out of date).
 
businesses will have to obey the law whether they like it or not.

True law can never condone such disgusting behavior. The documents which do so and purport to be laws are only corruptions of law, and no one is bound to obey them.
 
Maybe you did. But you read my reaction. If you want to rephrase it I'll read it. But as it stands, it's too confused for me to want to guess what you want to say.

OK, forget it.
 
Very hard to say because each state organizes things differently. Many states added public accommodations statutes following the Federal action, but others may have older, relevant statutes elsewhere. There may also be local ordinances that wouldn't appear in the state statutes, and the function of the law might differ from what you would expect just by reading the statutes, in which case you'd have to look at case law. It's very messy, which is why it is often difficult to find convienent 50-state summaries that explain how some aspect of the law works in each state (and like a science textbook, by the time you get one completed, it is often already out of date).

Sounds like gun laws :(
 
True law can never condone such disgusting behavior. The documents which do so and purport to be laws are only corruptions of law, and
no one is bound to obey them.



Unless they don't want to suffer the consequences of violating the law.




"Tolerance is giving to every other human being every right that you claim for yourself." ~ Robert Green Ingersoll
 
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