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    Re: Gay marriage, once inconceivable, now appears inevitable

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Nope. That is part of society. There is a reason so many people loath WBC, because of their deeply held religious beliefs. They face at least social and financial consequences for those beliefs. People are punished for their beliefs all the time. There are people who have killed others because they believed that certain sins should be punished by death or that they have a right to maintain their family name/honor through killing a family member who "tainted" it. People are held accountable for their beliefs in many situations, even legally.
    If the society does not like the baker saying his mind they need not buy his cake. There is nothing to be said against that. To allow government to punish citizens for expressing their views is is really stupid and anti-democratic.

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    Re: Gay marriage, once inconceivable, now appears inevitable

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    If the society does not like the baker saying his mind they need not buy his cake. There is nothing to be said against that. To allow government to punish citizens for expressing their views is is really stupid and anti-democratic.
    And the major consequence this couple faced was social and financial due to less people buying their cakes. The public though also has a right to express their views of this couple's views/bigotry. It is not anti-democratic at all for the government to punish citizens for expressing their views in a way that affects others negatively, as this couple did. This couple was free to tell the lesbian couple that they did not approve of their relationship/wedding but that they would still bake the cake for them. Likely the lesbian couple would have went elsewhere without any type of legal problems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    ...It is not anti-democratic at all for the government to punish citizens for expressing their views in a way that affects others negatively, as this couple did. This couple was free to tell the lesbian couple that they did not approve of their relationship/wedding but that they would still bake the cake for them. ....
    Don't be silly. If you want the government to punish citizens for the expression of their views it is of course destructive of democratic process. It hinders information flow and use. That is as true for women that want to wear burqas, for a guy that wants to publish Hustler magazine as it is for cakes to the gay. If you start letting the state interfere with free expression for no reason but hurt feelings, your well on your way away from democratic rule. All you need is a new government that dislikes your view and away with you.

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    Re: Gay marriage, once inconceivable, now appears inevitable

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Don't be silly. If you want the government to punish citizens for the expression of their views it is of course destructive of democratic process. It hinders information flow and use. That is as true for women that want to wear burqas, for a guy that wants to publish Hustler magazine as it is for cakes to the gay. If you start letting the state interfere with free expression for no reason but hurt feelings, your well on your way away from democratic rule. All you need is a new government that dislikes your view and away with you.
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    Restaurant Chain Settles Charges of Racial Bias - NYTimes.com

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    South Carolina Restaurant Refuses To Serve Black Patrons — Denny’s Redux Above the Law: A Legal Web Site – News, Commentary, and Opinions on Law Firms, Lawyers, Law Schools, Law Suits, Judges and Courts + Career Resources
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Gay marriage, once inconceivable, now appears inevitable

    So? I am only worried about government intervention. A country that forbids free expression of opinions is well on its way to losing its democratic function.

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    Re: Gay marriage, once inconceivable, now appears inevitable

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    So? I am only worried about government intervention. A country that forbids free expression of opinions is well on its way to losing its democratic function.
    Those cases are about government intervention. Denny's settled with the federal government. The other restaurant could face legal consequences if they find there is legitimate reason to believe that the refusal of service was based off of race (which is certainly sounds like a high probability that it was).
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Gay marriage, once inconceivable, now appears inevitable

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Why not? What's wrong with it?
    Greetings, tres borrachos.

    : It sure seems like it could solve some problems - like ending the wondering what your life might be like if you had married someone other than the one you did! And in order to be fair, it would have to be the same for both sexes, BTW! : That Clint Eastwood movie where she had two husbands comes to mind, but though I can't think of the movie title at the moment, it was hilarious....

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    Re: Gay marriage, once inconceivable, now appears inevitable

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, tres borrachos.

    : It sure seems like it could solve some problems - like ending the wondering what your life might be like if you had married someone other than the one you did! And in order to be fair, it would have to be the same for both sexes, BTW! : That Clint Eastwood movie where she had two husbands comes to mind, but though I can't think of the movie title at the moment, it was hilarious....
    Happy Friday Pol! I'm not sure I could handle more than one Mr. Borrachos!

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    Re: Gay marriage, once inconceivable, now appears inevitable

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Forcing people to behave against their religious beliefs,when they are doing nobody physical harm is revolting, certainly.
    Why should white bigots be allowed to refuse to serve black customers? Why would you support bigotry like that?
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    Re: Gay marriage, once inconceivable, now appears inevitable

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    It just shows how powerful public opinion can sway justice and legal outcomes.
    As it always had.
    Michael J Petrilli-"Is School Choice Enough?"-A response to the recent timidity of American conservatives toward education reform. https://nationalaffairs.com/publicat...-choice-enough

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