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    Re: Gay marriage, once inconceivable, now appears inevitable

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    The international standard has become that no one can force a church or an individual pastor to recognize nor officially wed same sex couples. The issue here is settled as well in the commercial arena. If the rejection is on religious grounds or there are no other alternatives the service can be denied.

    Sometimes you just have to sit back and let society itself figure out what's 'fair'.
    Sometimes society has to be shoved with a bulldozer. As far as marriage goes, there are always alternative sources and services besides churches.
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    Re: Gay marriage, once inconceivable, now appears inevitable

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    I live in Europe and we have freedom and property rights.




    "Tolerance is giving to every other human being every right that you claim for yourself." ~ Robert Green Ingersoll
    Whereby various countries have sometimes somewhat odd'ly defined ie interpreted property rights and sometimes parculiar ideas of freedom

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    Re: Gay marriage, once inconceivable, now appears inevitable

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    I can't fathom the American constitution forcing people to break their religious beliefs.
    Then maybe those people shouldn't have such asinine religious beliefs?
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Gay marriage, once inconceivable, now appears inevitable

    Well now........I guess we can look forward to legalized polygamy now......

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    Re: Gay marriage, once inconceivable, now appears inevitable

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Then maybe those people shouldn't have such asinine religious beliefs?
    Or people can leave them alone.
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    Re: Gay marriage, once inconceivable, now appears inevitable

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfoot 88 View Post
    Or people can leave them alone.
    So long as their beliefs don't affect others, nobody bothers them. It's when they insist on pushing their religion on the rest of society that people take notice. If people don't want to be ridiculed for their beliefs, they shouldn't have such ridiculous beliefs.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Gay marriage, once inconceivable, now appears inevitable

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Forcing people to behave against their religious beliefs,when they are doing nobody physical harm is revolting, certainly.
    How is this forcing people to act against their religious beliefs?

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    Re: Gay marriage, once inconceivable, now appears inevitable

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    You mean you really don't know the sin of Onan? You are joking.
    The sin of Onan was about pulling out before "spilling his seed". What does that have to do with baking a wedding cake?

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    Re: Gay marriage, once inconceivable, now appears inevitable

    Quote Originally Posted by Amandi View Post
    The sin of Onan was about pulling out before "spilling his seed". What does that have to do with baking a wedding cake?
    Maybe these people bake some pretty disgusting cakes?
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    Re: Gay marriage, once inconceivable, now appears inevitable

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    So long as their beliefs don't affect others, nobody bothers them. It's when they insist on pushing their religion on the rest of society that people take notice. If people don't want to be ridiculed for their beliefs, they shouldn't have such ridiculous beliefs.
    "Pushing" is subjective term. Government force, however, is undeniable.

    We should adopt tolerance and let people agree to disagree. Are you against being pro-choice?
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