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    Re: Gay marriage, once inconceivable, now appears inevitable

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    That's kind of what I was implying when I suggested that they freely post their opinions in their businesses/storefronts.

    It would be interesting.
    I think it would be a travesty if all Americans were forced by the government to accept all consumers even if they do not match up with their beliefs. I am the strongest supporter of gay marriage, but to look the other way in regards to the first amendment, it would be appalling.
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    Re: Gay marriage, once inconceivable, now appears inevitable

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    Which federal law establishes that right?
    There are federal public accommodation laws. 1964 civil rights act, for instance. ADA is the other main example I can think of.
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    Re: Gay marriage, once inconceivable, now appears inevitable

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    There are federal public accommodation laws. 1964 civil rights act, for instance. ADA is the other main example I can think of.
    Yes, thank you. I think I misinterpreted your earlier post.

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    Re: Gay marriage, once inconceivable, now appears inevitable

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    I think it would be a travesty if all Americans were forced by the government to accept all consumers even if they do not match up with their beliefs. I am the strongest supporter of gay marriage, but to look the other way in regards to the first amendment, it would be appalling.
    I think that is a misreading. You don't have to support something to take their money. Nor does serving them mean you can't say what you think. I see no connection at all to the first amendment.

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    Re: Gay marriage, once inconceivable, now appears inevitable

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    I think it would be a travesty if all Americans were forced by the government to accept all consumers even if they do not match up with their beliefs. I am the strongest supporter of gay marriage, but to look the other way in regards to the first amendment, it would be appalling.
    Laws that prohibit businesses open to the public from refusing to serve blacks or refusing services to Jews or gays does nothing to violate the first Amendment. People still have their first amendment rights to say whatever they choose. They just don't have the right to deny service. That is not something that the First Amendment was ever intended to address.
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    Re: Gay marriage, once inconceivable, now appears inevitable

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    So I am reposting this because (I didnt see an answer and) after all the discussion, I'm still unclear.

    Not trying to muckrake, I'd just like to know. I think if business owner did so, they'd find their business burned to the ground but that is because that's my perception of the KKK. Not sure if that's accurate but I believe that's the undercurrent still, if not on the surface.

    Edit: Taylor may just have alluded to it in post 202.
    Difficult to answer because whether or not you can kick them out really depends on where you live. Although the KKK would not be part of a protected class in the majority of states, most states have also prohibited discrimination if it is deemed arbitrary (you're not likely to get away with a "No Gingers Allowed" policy). Thus, if you kick someone out, you usually need to have a defensible business interest for doing so. If they're making other customers uncomfortable, hopefully that's reason enough.

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    Re: Gay marriage, once inconceivable, now appears inevitable

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Difficult to answer because whether or not you can kick them out really depends on where you live. Although the KKK would not be part of a protected class in the majority of states, most states have also prohibited discrimination if it is deemed arbitrary (you're not likely to get away with a "No Gingers Allowed" policy). Thus, if you kick someone out, you usually need to have a defensible business interest for doing so. If they're making other customers uncomfortable, hopefully that's reason enough.
    What laws cover that?
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    Re: Gay marriage, once inconceivable, now appears inevitable

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    So World Watcher and I responded to your questions, and you got rather abstract (unclear references to a song). It seems that businesses could express their beliefs and still not refuse service and discriminate.

    My main point, in case it was lost, was that this alone might solve the business's issues with having to serve the demographic that they object to. They should not be ashamed to do so, correct?
    I really do not have the slightest idea what you are saying.

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    Re: Gay marriage, once inconceivable, now appears inevitable

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    I really do not have the slightest idea what you are saying.
    Really? What specifically is confusing? I gave all the context I thought necessary in post 214.
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    Re: Gay marriage, once inconceivable, now appears inevitable

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Really? What specifically is confusing? I gave all the context I thought necessary in post 214.
    Maybe you did. But you read my reaction. If you want to rephrase it I'll read it. But as it stands, it's too confused for me to want to guess what you want to say.

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