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    Re: Gay marriage, once inconceivable, now appears inevitable

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Public accommodations is not really an equal rights issue. There is no constitutional right to be treated equally at a restaurant.

    The government is not protecting the rights of those being discriminated against, but impinging on the restaurant owner's right to discriminate because it believes it has a legitimate interest in doing so.
    That is awesome judicial reasoning...now all you have to do is take that reasoning and challenge the Civil Rights Act '64 Title II in court.

    Good luck with your case.


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    Re: Gay marriage, once inconceivable, now appears inevitable

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Is there a Constitutional right to refuse service to someone based on gender, sexual orientation, or ethnicity?
    Yes, but it is not unlimited and can be regulated if the government has a good reason to do so.

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    Re: Gay marriage, once inconceivable, now appears inevitable

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Yes, but it is not unlimited and can be regulated if the government has a good reason to do so.
    Oh really? A government with a good reason can decide a business can exclude customers based on gender, sexual orientation, or ethnicity?

    What "good reason" would that be?
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    Re: Gay marriage, once inconceivable, now appears inevitable

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    That is awesome judicial reasoning...now all you have to do is take that reasoning and challenge the Civil Rights Act '64 Title II in court.

    Good luck with your case.
    Don't know why I'd need to challenge it. Perhaps you can point to the section where the act creates a new constitutional right to be treated equally at a restaurant.

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    Re: Gay marriage, once inconceivable, now appears inevitable

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Oh really? A government with a good reason can decide a business can exclude customers based on gender, sexual orientation, or ethnicity?

    What "good reason" would that be?
    You have it backwards. With good reason a government can decide a business CAN'T exclude customers.

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    Re: Gay marriage, once inconceivable, now appears inevitable

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Oh really? A government with a good reason can decide a business can exclude customers based on gender, sexual orientation, or ethnicity?

    What "good reason" would that be?
    I believe the legal term is "compelling state interest".

    I think private clubs are allowed to exclude "customers" based on those categories.

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    Re: Gay marriage, once inconceivable, now appears inevitable

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    You have it backwards. With good reason a government can decide a business CAN'T exclude customers.
    I think you stated the reality of the matter. The government has set forth a list of "protected citizens" who are specifically identified as "those who can not be excluded" which is entirely different than the government providing a list of who "can be excluded". If the exclusion reason isn't covered in any of those lists, you can exclude until the day is done. You can't exclude someone because you disapprove of their sexual preferences in a mate, but you can exclude someone if you disapprove of their lifestyle choice of being a KKK member because the law only applies to "those you can not exclude".

    It's so complex.

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    Re: Gay marriage, once inconceivable, now appears inevitable

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    You have it backwards. With good reason a government can decide a business CAN'T exclude customers.
    Yes, and they have.
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    Re: Gay marriage, once inconceivable, now appears inevitable

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    I believe the legal term is "compelling state interest".

    I think private clubs are allowed to exclude "customers" based on those categories.
    Private clubs are not public businesses.
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    Re: Gay marriage, once inconceivable, now appears inevitable

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I think you stated the reality of the matter. The government has set forth a list of "protected citizens" who are specifically identified as "those who can not be excluded" which is entirely different than the government providing a list of who "can be excluded". If the exclusion reason isn't covered in any of those lists, you can exclude until the day is done. You can't exclude someone because you disapprove of their sexual preferences in a mate, but you can exclude someone if you disapprove of their lifestyle choice of being a KKK member because the law only applies to "those you can not exclude".

    It's so complex.
    Yep, you can exclude fatties or brunettes or uggos, just so long as you equally apply it.

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