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    Re: Gay marriage, once inconceivable, now appears inevitable

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    It is hard to see how the government can be allowed to force people to act against their religious beliefs just so other people feel better.
    Where in the bible does it say you are forbidden to make cupcakes for a wedding?


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    Re: Gay marriage, once inconceivable, now appears inevitable

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    I've proposed a compromise for a number of years...

    1. Pass Same-sex Civil Marriage.

    2. Repeal Public Accommodation laws that apply to private businesses




    Same Sex Couple get Civil Marriages. Businesses are not required to provide goods and services to anyone they don't want to. Public Accommodation laws would only apply to government entities and would restrict the ability of government entities to contract with or provide funds to private organizations which have a discriminatory business model.



    It's a win/win.



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    Re: Gay marriage, once inconceivable, now appears inevitable

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    If you think that businesses will not have to obey the law I predict that you will be disappointed.

    But go ahead and dream. I don't have a problem with that.
    I was about to say if you don't like freedom and property rights you should move to Europe.

    Nevermind.
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    Re: Gay marriage, once inconceivable, now appears inevitable

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    As the Supreme Court prepares to decide the future of same-sex marriage--an institution described as "newer than cellphones or the internet by one justice last year--two things are clear.
    Despite this year's breathtaking string of lower court victories, the battle for marriage equality hasn't been swift or easy. To the lawyers who devised the legal strategy decades ago, the journey has been arduous, the setbacks plentiful, and the battle scars deep.

    And even after the high court rules--most likely striking down state bans on gay marriage at the end of its term in June--the fight won't be over. Another clash looms over the issue of religious freedom.

    Read the article here: Gay marriage, once inconceivable, now appears inevitable

    It looks like this battle has reached an important point.I don't believe that the 1st Amendment will stop this from happening.

    Churches will be able to do what they want to do, but businesses will have to obey the law whether they like it or not.
    I agree especially with the last sentence. Businesses and government will have to recognize same sex marriage. Churches can do as they please. About the only way I see a conflict is if a gay couple tried to make a Church recognize their marriage or perform the marriage vows. In this case I believe the 1st amendment will take precedence and the church or pastor or father or preacher should not be made to perform the ceremony if they so object.

    Outside of that I can foresee no problem.
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    Re: Gay marriage, once inconceivable, now appears inevitable

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    As the Supreme Court prepares to decide the future of same-sex marriage--an institution described as "newer than cellphones or the internet by one justice last year--two things are clear.
    Despite this year's breathtaking string of lower court victories, the battle for marriage equality hasn't been swift or easy. To the lawyers who devised the legal strategy decades ago, the journey has been arduous, the setbacks plentiful, and the battle scars deep.

    And even after the high court rules--most likely striking down state bans on gay marriage at the end of its term in June--the fight won't be over. Another clash looms over the issue of religious freedom.

    Read the article here: Gay marriage, once inconceivable, now appears inevitable

    It looks like this battle has reached an important point.I don't believe that the 1st Amendment will stop this from happening.

    Churches will be able to do what they want to do, but businesses will have to obey the law whether they like it or not.



    Yes, inevitable is correct. It has been in place in Canada nationally for 15 years now and it ain't going anywhere. It has been in place in many places in Europe a lot longer that.

    The SCOTUS should save Americans a decade now and also look at transgendered weddings as that's next.

    No where are churches forced to perform weddings and I know of no gays who want that. Occasionally some spoiled brats go ape**** because someone refuses to decorate their cake the way they want it, but fewer and fewer people give a ****.

    As the man says, you have ISIS at your back door, Al Qaeda at the side door and Putin huffing and puffing. You still have far too many people without medical coverage, a terrible economy, and the highest incarceration rate in the industrialized world along with a corrupt educational system that doesn't allow you to fire coke addled teachers.

    You have a president consistently telling lies and now running a war in a highly questionable manner, a stalled congress and declining trust in government as a whole.


    I would humbly suggest the gay marriage issue needs to be buried for good.
    Americans can always be counted on doing the right thing...after they have tried everything else." Winston Churchill.

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    Re: Gay marriage, once inconceivable, now appears inevitable

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Where in the bible does it say you are forbidden to make cupcakes for a wedding?
    You mean you really don't know the sin of Onan? You are joking.

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    Re: Gay marriage, once inconceivable, now appears inevitable

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Yes, inevitable is correct. It has been in place in Canada nationally for 15 years now and it ain't going anywhere. It has been in place in many places in Europe a lot longer that.

    The SCOTUS should save Americans a decade now and also look at transgendered weddings as that's next.

    No where are churches forced to perform weddings and I know of no gays who want that. Occasionally some spoiled brats go ape**** because someone refuses to decorate their cake the way they want it, but fewer and fewer people give a ****.

    As the man says, you have ISIS at your back door, Al Qaeda at the side door and Putin huffing and puffing. You still have far too many people without medical coverage, a terrible economy, and the highest incarceration rate in the industrialized world along with a corrupt educational system that doesn't allow you to fire coke addled teachers.

    You have a president consistently telling lies and now running a war in a highly questionable manner, a stalled congress and declining trust in government as a whole.


    I would humbly suggest the gay marriage issue needs to be buried for good.

    Let's file the issue under W for Who gives a rip! and then move on to the real issues.
    You don't have to agree with me. You have every right to be wrong if you want.

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    Re: Gay marriage, once inconceivable, now appears inevitable

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    You mean you really don't know the sin of Onan? You are joking.
    Is it something about cupcakes for gay people?


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    Re: Gay marriage, once inconceivable, now appears inevitable

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I agree especially with the last sentence. Businesses and government will have to recognize same sex marriage. Churches can do as they please. About the only way I see a conflict is if a gay couple tried to make a Church recognize their marriage or perform the marriage vows. In this case I believe the 1st amendment will take precedence and the church or pastor or father or preacher should not be made to perform the ceremony if they so object.

    Outside of that I can foresee no problem.


    The international standard has become that no one can force a church or an individual pastor to recognize nor officially wed same sex couples. The issue here is settled as well in the commercial arena. If the rejection is on religious grounds or there are no other alternatives the service can be denied.

    Sometimes you just have to sit back and let society itself figure out what's 'fair'.
    Americans can always be counted on doing the right thing...after they have tried everything else." Winston Churchill.

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    Re: Gay marriage, once inconceivable, now appears inevitable

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfoot 88 View Post
    I was about to say if you don't like freedom and property rights you should move to Europe.


    Nevermind.


    I live in Europe and we have freedom and property rights.




    "Tolerance is giving to every other human being every right that you claim for yourself." ~ Robert Green Ingersoll

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