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    Re: Gay marriage, once inconceivable, now appears inevitable

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    Not really "courts" but "court".
    I don't have any reason to believe that it would have been decided differently on appeal, so I'll stick with "courts".

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    Re: Gay marriage, once inconceivable, now appears inevitable

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    Certainly most states, but not all. Kentucky is an example of a state where sex has some, but not all, of the protections that apply to race, religion, disability, national origin, etc.
    Really? Gender is federally protected. Can you provide a few examples that show what you mean?

    You may be right...we still dont have protection for equal pay for women.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Gay marriage, once inconceivable, now appears inevitable

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Businesses that are open to the public must abide by public standards. Refusing service to a group is an aggressive act - economic warfare.

    One cannot speed on the highways and one cannot wage economic warfare in public-access business.

    If a group of KKK came into my store, I'd ask them to leave.

    Is that against the law? (I'm asking, I dont know of any law that protects them or their agenda...or what they'd try to claim)
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Gay marriage, once inconceivable, now appears inevitable

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    I am not sure I follow. But it seems to me to be one thing, if someone does not support a ceremony of what they believe to be evil and allowing the government to force them to do so.
    My main point was about a medical procedure which would be off-topic here. And creating laws that forced a religious view on others.

    I will rescind the comment. For another place and time.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: Gay marriage, once inconceivable, now appears inevitable

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Refusing service is an expression of belief. And forbidding the expression is similar to forbidding people to say "Hail Hitler!". It is anti democratic. If you do not like somebody's expression of belief then demonstrate, scream at him. But do not give government the authority to prevent him expressing his view. That is absolutely irresponsible and stands in scary contrast to what had made the US exceptional in the past.
    I fully support the business to exclaim, put up signs, etc of their opinions on issues. That might solve the problem right there.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: Gay marriage, once inconceivable, now appears inevitable

    Makes you wonder what thing, inconceivable today, will be accepted as normal 30 years from now.

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    Re: Gay marriage, once inconceivable, now appears inevitable

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Again, it depends on what state you live in. In California, you can apparently walk in to a restaurant wearing swastika lapel pins and demand service. Should they ask you to remove the pins, you can even respond with a "I'm not going to do anything a nigger tells me to do" and the ACLU will defend you and the California courts will side with you.
    Maybe so, maybe not. Why don't you try to test that idea in a restaurant in, say, West Oakland?
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    Re: Gay marriage, once inconceivable, now appears inevitable

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I fully support the business to exclaim, put up signs, etc of their opinions on issues. That might solve the problem right there.
    How exactly do you mean?

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    Re: Gay marriage, once inconceivable, now appears inevitable

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    How exactly do you mean?
    "Put up signs" "Exclaim"

    In other words, feel free to air their opinions publicly.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: Gay marriage, once inconceivable, now appears inevitable

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I fully support the business to exclaim, put up signs, etc of their opinions on issues. That might solve the problem right there.
    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    How exactly do you mean?

    Maybe something along these lines:

    1. Current Public Accommodation laws are repealed and replaced with - ah - let's call it a "True In Commerce Act" requirement.

    2. At the time that a business license is issued or renewed the business is required to file a legally binding "Truth In Commerce" statement. At such time a business verify that they will not discriminate based on conditions determined by the State legislator - those condition being the same ones used currently under Public Accommodation laws: i.e. race, religion, sex, sexual orientation, national origin, marital status (some states), parental status (some states), veterans status, (some states), etc. Business who certify they would not discriminate based on any of the listed criteria would be required to inform the public of such legally binding commitment. On the other hand businesses could reserve the right to discriminate based on any one (or more) of the selected criteria and maintain that certification on file with the business licensing bureau.

    3. As a legally binding commitment, such a document would remain on file with the businesses license with the licensing bureau and open for public inspection.

    4. The business could also be required to maintain such a statement of intent prominently in a location where the public is aware of the businesses legal practices. Such as at each checkout register, at the entrance to the business used by the general public, as part of any website or online advertising, included with any email solicitations, a statement included in any broadcast advertising (similar to a political candidates "I approve of this message" requirement), and required on billing statements.

    5. A business is then required to operate under the model thay select with failure to do so resulting in fines for fraudulant operations (same as they are now for Public Accommodation law violations).

    6. A business could update or append their Truth in Commerce statement on file with the business licensing bureau and updated their "signage" only on or after the date of their filing, they would be reponsible for any prior transaction (or discriminatory practices) prior to that date under whatever rules they'd established for that time period.

    7. As long as a business operated in either a non-discriminatory model or in a discriminatory model they had registered, they would be free to refuse service based on those conditions without action.



    On other words, a business would be free to discriminate - they would just have to inform the public ahead of time of what their plans were.



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